or not at all? [[http://www.jaeger.co.uk/index.cfm?page=1013&productid=790007Y&productvarid=790007Y-00100-ITM&refpage=1273 the only thing i'm not sure about is the patent bit, i LOVE the hardware and shape]] and I never love bags (unless they are balenciaga and beyond my reach) and have been looking for one for eons.