There's a rumour that anyfucker has been banned. Can you clarify before there is a riot please?

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'I hope that MNHQ is aware that AF along with other prominent feminist posters are mentioned by name on MRA websites, just so they know who to target in order to silence women.'

Goodness Women, do we need a leader to tell us how to think and what to do?

Are we too weak to stand up for ourselves now that AF has gone?

Do we need an Alpha Female to protect us?

Come ON!!

Serously?

put your pom poms away, ffs.

Adding My support for AF here. I evidently haven't been on the threads where she's been breaking guidelines as I don't recall her being "naughtier" than any others.

I am also horrified if Xenia and ScottishMummy have been lost.

I'm another who will leave if this is not resolved.

Something that was drummed into me for my judicial training is that "Justice must not just be done, it must be seen to be done". If AF has been banned for biting back at goaders, then MNHQ we are telling you that justice is not seen to be being done. Please listen. (and bring back Xenia as well, she always made me smile and made me think)

I think a lot of what goes on, on the internet, against actively feminist (or sometimes even just identifiably female) posters is a bit beyond MNHQ. Even though certain parts of MN are key targets for it. I can't understand why that is, because on paper you would have thought Justine et al are the media-savvy sort of women who can read that sort of thing. But somehow they just don't; I get a dismissive sort of "I'm alright Jack" sense that they think that the sort of radical feminism that names this and squares up to it is sort of paranoid and rough and common and declasse. I have often seen successful women like this - the sort who have always been able to have personal meetings with high powered people to get what they want and smooth their own paths - be a bit "what's the problem?" and almost "well, if you will be aggressive, and not a team player, and negative..."

I think MNHQ needs to face up to the rampant online misogyny that is current and mainstream and targeted now, and stop trying to apply weak naive ideas of "equality" and "fairness". It is completely misreading the situation to think that a high profile online space of mainly women can protect itself as a pleasant and supportive place to be, by being simplistically "fair".

But then of course it is determinedly mainstream, for brand equity reasons, (£££) and feminism (which is what is needed here, as bloody well everywhere) is not mainstream. Sadly.

Maybe we have some regular goady fuckers then

I can't help but think there is a bigger debate behind this.

I am sad that AF has gone and would love to see her back, but as I've said before I don't think that any one poster can be above the rules. No matter how helpful, prolific and popular a poster is, if they repeatedly break HQ's rules and are asked to stop making personal attacks, then the eventual outcome is that they will be banned. (I have to say I didn't see the thread in question and have no idea what AF did to be banned).

If the rules are relaxed as posters are asking for, then they have to be relaxed for everyone and that means that goady fuckers, trolls and downright nasty characters won't be deleted as often and MN could become a lot less pleasant a place.

If the rules are stuck to, then it means that posters like AF get banned.

It's not a simple discussion for anyone involved. But I do personally think that it is not so simple as to let particular posters be exempt from the rules.

We have plenty of regular goady fuckers. Can someone link to where Justine commented, please? I got lost with all the different threads.

FrightRider can you point to where Justine said it was regulars please?

because there has been so many posts about this I'm having trouble wading through it all, there's so much bullshit being bandied about.

Good post youretoast. I agree with you.

Thanks, NLurker.

I also think that it isn't helpful on either side to have discussions about how / whether the culture of the site has changed. You get this really unhelpful back and forth like this:

(some) MN posters: "the site is being moderated differently! It is all naff and fluffy wuffy!"
MNHQ: "the rules have not changed. We can show stats that support this too"
(some) MN posters "but - but - it feels different!"

This doesn't get us anywhere. Frankly I don't care whether the actual rules have changed, or the actual numbers of deletions or bannings for certain things have increased. Because what has changed is the profile of the site, and the internet culture it operates in. In a million years I could write an essay on (would be such fun to do that actually - I wonder if I could submit it as a thesis somewhere)

So: if MNHQ wants to preserve MN as a place where a certain sort of arsey educated woman feels comfortable and funny and creative and helpful, then it has to be more sophisticated in its operation and moderation. I agree that it can't be unmoderated. But it has to be moderated with extreme subtlety and nuance by people who know what they fuck they are doing, with very sophisticated political and gender-relations nous. BECAUSE we is LAYDEEZ and we is SEEN to be laydeez so they all want to fuck us up, innit.

Ridiculous! Entirely the wrong target.

MNHQ - you are allowed to change your mind.

"I dare say anyfucker did/does make some personal attacks. She's a very active and visible member and the abuse/rape apologists, mras and handmaidens hate her and attack her regularly. So I'm sure she responds in kind. But, look at the proportion of PAs next to the proportion of incredibly sensible, insightful and helpful posts she does - there's no contest. She's too valuable to us, to mumsnet. She's been goaded and provoked by trolls and posters with a strongly anti feminist and anti woman agenda, and she gets banned. Wtf."

^^ This

How can a poster who supports so many vulnerable people and posts such good advice be banned? she should be given a bloody commendation as far as I'm concerned. Are all posters who believe women to be equal to men and not have to take abuse to be banned? WTAF has MN become. I'm seriously shocked and disgusted at MN. I thought this was a site that supported women but I'm having to rethink that opinion today .

I really hope you're wrong you'retoastmildred

MNHQ, you cannot claim this is a pro-women site if you ban posters for calling out misogynist trolls; and/or don't do everything possible to tackle them.

Wow.

All the interesting characters banned.

SM and Xenia drove me insane at times but that made for robust debate.I thought AF was a true asset to this site. Tough shit if people think that's grovelly, I thought she was awesome.

Anyhoo, have been here in various guises since 2008 but think MN and I have outgrown eachother (or something) so de-regging now.

Personally I am glad. I found her abrasive and rude to strangers. Then I read that she put up with multiple cheating s from an ex, yet she wades in immediately with strangers, telling them to get rid of their husband. I find this shir sighted and rude. People take their own time ending their relationships. I used to hate the way she would be so curt to hurting strangers. Especially when she herself was one at one stage! It's like, she took her time to learn her lesson but now wants to project that onto other people. I didn't find that wise.

Unsure what else may have gone on of course; trying to play the guitar more than read mumsnet at the moment!!!!

that is a really bitchy post somethingtosay

Right, so I have checked with AF and the ban was always a temporary, modify your posting behaviour or else, sort of thing. So I have unknowingly unleashed a shitstorm. That is MY fault. I could not possibly have foreseen the strength of feeling out there. Certainly not 17 or more threads on the subject. blush I have apologised to AF.

But the reason for my crossness remains. This has happened because the goady fuckers get to use the "guidelines" to their own advantage. Post any old shit that doesn't break the rules, made up stories, goady posts, etc then MNHQ will let that stand. Anyone who dares to answer back or call stuff into question is bad and runs the risk of deletion/banning.

The trolls and internet mischief makers are having a laugh with MN. And AF will be back and able to read the lovely supportive posts!

something2say You really don't know what you're talking about.

Really.

something

instead of getting into an argument with you I'll say this : I reported you post.

*your post

[blinded by righteous anger]