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How to know when it's the end and how to separate/divorce?

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chinup123 · Yesterday 14:41

I think my marriage is over and I'm not sure if I'm ready for that or if that is the right thing to do or even where to start. I really apologise if this is long.

My DH's behaviour just isn't in line with keeping a happy and healthy marriage going and hasn't been for a while. I understand that nobody needs a reason to leave someone but it seems hard to make that decision when 1. I don't think its mutual but hard to say due to communication breakdown 2. There's been no definitive big issue to get me to that point e.g. cheating.

I'm feeling a bit like a boiled frog in that it has been a slow and steady cumulation of things. I also think I'm perimenopausal, and maybe that has reduced my tolerance levels.

However, in summary, married for 6 years, together for 13. No children together but each have our own. We own our home jointly and with a mortgage. I am the higher earner, not by loads, but it always feels more so as he is poor at managing money. He has a temper and doesn't manage his emotions well, small things can quickly blow up into an argument where he can switch into being nasty, personal and aggressive regardless of the origins of the argument.

More recently he did this in front of friends/family at a BBQ when a discussion/debate on politics got out of hand. And other people's response and shock at his behaviour I think has made me evaluate that behaviour which had somewhat become the norm.

My daughter is university age and has started reducing the times she comes home and when she stays here, I'd assumed this was for other reasons until she clarified it was because she doesn't like being around him. Finds his behaviour and coldness towards her difficult.

To the outside world (bar the recent BBQ incident) he presents as a lovely friendly person. Sociable, kind, will help out anyone. This is the opposite to what I get, and I find that hard that more and more grating. I can barely get a 'how's your day been?' whilst he has a 20 minute conversation with the next door neighbour. My daughter has the same experience. He can hold a conversation and show an interest in other people but not her.

About 12 months ago we hit pretty rock bottom and I suggested splitting. He made it very clear he would be difficult about this when it came to deciding what to do with the house and selling/splitting this.

We went to couples counselling, we stopped going after 4-5 sessions, I largely decided this as it didn't seem to be getting anywhere. His 'outside' persona was the only one he was offering up in counselling and I didn't feel like he was offering up any honest thoughts and feelings so it seemed pointless.

If we split, it will be me that instigates this, I don't THINK he wants to split but its very difficult to read. His only emotions come out when angry and then after that he's a closed book.

It makes sense for me to be the one to leave the property as I have my daughter who is not home so its 'easier'. He has 2 sons who he has 50/50 care of and 2 dogs which are his responsibility.

I can't afford to rent somewhere and pay half towards the mortgage. Neither of us is in a position to buy the other out to retain the property for ourselves. I could pay the mortgage/get a mortgage on my own, I think he would struggle. He isn't good with money so I'd worry about having any financial ties to the property whilst not living there/looking after the finances as he wouldn't keep on top of this and could wrack up debt linked to me which I can't have happen due to my job. Based on previous reaction he's just going to dig his heels in and refuse to leave or entertain selling.

So I feel very stuck. I don't feel like I can do anything to help improve the situation and I don't feel like I can leave/start again even though I would be willing to.

Does anyone have any advice that has perhaps been through similar, how did you make any sort of break through in terms of moving on, separating and starting that process?

I'm early 40s and I feel like life is just too short to be miserable

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chinup123 · Yesterday 14:42

Sorry that is long, thank you to anyone that perseveres with reading all that 😅

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Thatsthebottomline · Yesterday 19:06

When you start writing stuff like this and its not getting better that woukd tell me it's the end, yes.

caringcarer · Yesterday 19:22

It very much sounds like you've woken up to how difficult and rude he can be. Your DD has already started visiting less often. She obviously noticed it sooner. You need to see a solicitor but I divorced quickly because found out he had cheated and couldn't bare to be married to him after that, and then we sorted out finances afterwards. Exh made life very difficult for me. You could both stay in the same house whilst divorcing. Ask solicitor to start divorce petition asap. Decide if you agree to 50/50 split on equity in house and pension sharing. If yes, it shouldnt be too difficult. If no you will have to fight for your half. He can't refuse to sell if a judge orders the sale of the house. Get 3 valuations when he is not about and use middle one.

ScorpionLioness79 · Yesterday 19:43

Even if you don't immediately file for divorce, a consultation about your rights and options when it comes to the house might lessen your worries about it. You've done all you could to try to improve things and it hasn't worked, so yeah, why be miserable the rest of your life just so he won't have anger you have to be around, which will be temporary since you don't share children.

He sounds somewhat similar to my 1st husband--people person around others and saving all the bad for me. He didn't want to be at marital counseling and would get angry at me for bringing up instances to the counselor, which was ridiculous. How did expect things to be resolved. Anyway, I'm glad we went so that I felt like I'd pulled out all the stops before throwing in the towel. I'm sure you also feel more confident in your decision because you know you at least tried.

Definitely stay in the house until the housing issue is legally handled, but do try to create your own private quarters while in the house. That way at least you can have personal space when he's difficult to be around. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

chinup123 · Yesterday 20:35

Thanks I’ve re read what I have written a few times as putting it down like that helps. To be honest the version I have written is somewhat softened round the edges.

i have given everything, tried everything. I’ve sacrificed so much. I’m not a quitter and it still feels like I’m quitting. I wouldn’t have got married if I thought it would have panned out this way.

I’ve had a conversation with him this evening about the house and what would happen if we split. And he’s denied all knowledge about being difficult when we’ve discussed this before.

maybe he is also resigned to it. I think I will need to seek legal advice regardless. It’s going to be very tough anyway, he won’t make it pleasant to cohabit whilst things get sorted

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Hiredgun · Yesterday 20:55

No advice but sounds miserable. Good luck to you.

Shineaea · Yesterday 21:47

This sounds really hard OP. It reads like you are completely done to be honest. It’s just finding a solution now.

whippersnapper55 · Yesterday 22:33

I think you have every reason to seek a divorce, your daughter's reluctance to visit because of him would be top of my list. You don't need his permission and it doesn't matter if he wants to split or not. Either one of you has the right to end the relationship if you are unhappy.

I would grit your teeth and stay in the property until it's sold, then you can go your separate ways. It's not going to be easy sharing the home for possibly months while this is going on, but you must keep focused on the light at the end of the tunnel. Lean on your friends and family and get through it - it will be worth it in the end.

chinup123 · Yesterday 22:50

I feel done. I’m not upset or even angry. After yet another cycle of an out of proportion argument/temper tantrum and the sulking and cold shoulder that can last for days after. I’m just spent, I’m just numb.

I can feel my own mental health declining when I’m usually pretty resilient. I haven’t cried when I’ve thought about splitting, it’s something that I’ve been weighing up for sometime that im almost at peace with it.

my daughter’s position on it is a huge factor, i knew she wouldn’t see eye to eye with him but she’s done with his selfishness.

The only thing my mind still creeps back to, and maybe it’s almost like grieving what i know i will lose. Is I do still love him. Very much. We actually even had a lovely holiday this summer. There are nice moments. But the bad far out weighs and then ultimately taints them.

I just know I can’t carry on living like this.

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chinup123 · Yesterday 22:56

My conversation with him tonight has at least given me some hope we can deal with the house amicably.

how the house is in no fit state to sell at a price we’d want is a completely different story and problem 🙄

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