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Good vs Bad Men

22 replies

Arding · 21/08/2026 05:03

What makes a boyfriend desirable. What makes a boyfriend undesirable?

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Coinkidinki · 21/08/2026 08:31

For me, it isn't a single thing. I don't believe in the 'soul mate' concept, I think people can have successful relationships in different ways with different people.

Style is more important to me than looks - I'm not a fan of athleisure, trainers and football shirts - that type of look - so that would be a turn off. Also, purely as a personal preference, I don't find tattoos attractive - that would put me off. I don't like shaved heads, although natural baldness is OK. I don't like men in a lot of jewellery, I absolutely hate curb chains and bling. A single earring is OK or a non-flashy finger ring.

It tends to be their personality that clinches it for me. Intelligence is essential, overlap of interests, must be a geek over something or other, ideally something I'm geeky about too. Don't like sporty blokes although outdoorsy (walking, camping etc.) is OK. Metal/goth type is good. Techy type is good but not a gamer. Must like cats! Must not be social media obsessed. Must not have flashy car, I hate flashy cars.

Physically, if they tick the right boxes personality-wise I don't care too much, but my ideal 'type' is a thin, fragile-looking man with long hair and geek glasses.

Arding · 21/08/2026 13:32

Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to write a detailed, enjoyable and helpful reply. Much appreciated.

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Arding · 21/08/2026 13:38

I find real life to be much more obsessed with looks compared to what people say on discussion boards.

For example I like interesting conversations.
I like to...

Actively listen to people
Show interest in people and encourage them to talk about the themselves
Enjoy engaging with them
Sympathize
Empathize
Encourage
Support
Show affection
Motivate
Make people laugh
Laugh with other people

Yet never had anyone shown any interest in me....

Then I see good looking cute people on dates making ni effort whatsoever...and their partners bending over backward to engage with them... simply because they are cute and good looking!!!

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Mysticguru · 21/08/2026 13:45

If you come from a place of love, then love will find you.

wafflesmgee · 21/08/2026 13:50

Do you have any close friends that could give you pointers so you can get past the first hurdle of an introduction so you can then show people these lovely characteristics?
eg different perfume/a new outfit
Could you start a new hobby? Eg my husband and I met when young but through a hobby, it took me a few weeks to get to know him and him a few weeks to get over his shyness too. A weekly hobby is quite helpful in that respect.

sending support. Dont give up, it is worth waiting for the right relationship.

Arding · 21/08/2026 14:36

Thank you wafflesmgee. I really enjoyed reading about how you and your dear husband met. How lovely!

I don't have close friends because every time I have had close friends...they have betrayed me and abused my kindness.

I do get involved in community activities like volunteering...and enjoy chatting to my fellow volunteers...for many years now....

I also do evening classes and attend meet up groups for many years now...and enjoy chatting to people

But nothing ever comes of it!.

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gwenneh · 21/08/2026 14:44

"I see good looking cute people on dates making ni effort whatsoever...their partners bending over backward to engage with them... simply because they are cute and good looking!!!..."

You actually don't know why their partners are engaging with them. They may be good looking in your opinion, but the reasons they are dating and engaging with each other isn't something you can deduce from observing people on a date; the fact that this is your assumption at all is indicative of why your approach isn't working.

"I don't have close friends because every time I have had close friends...they have betrayed me and abused my kindness."

What do you think a partner is if not also a close friend? If every time you've had close friends it's gone the same way, then it will go the same way with any potential partner as well unless you determine what the reason is for this repeated pattern in your life and why you are either drawn to people who will do this to you or otherwise.

WallaceinAnderland · 21/08/2026 14:56

I don't think anyone is wholly good or wholly bad. You should judge someone by how they treat you and how they make you feel, not by their looks.

AceInSpace · 21/08/2026 15:07

Then I see good looking cute people on dates making ni effort whatsoever...and their partners bending over backward to engage with them... simply because they are cute and good looking!!!

Well, I mean… Yeah! That’s how it goes. Good looking people (I am absolutely not one of them) have a massive advance in life, not just when it comes to dating. There has been studies about this. And in a patriarchal world: even more so for women, when looks are the only attribute that counts - well complicity is the other one (giggle giggle - ”of course all men look at porn, that's the best you can't get, if you're bot okey with that, stay single"). Anyone saying anything else is lying!

Sorry, if I’m wrong about assuming that you’re a woman!

Edit : I forgot to say that I’m not sure how your title and post go together. One can be a good or bad partner/person, not sure why the post was about attraction - but that can be my fault….

OneShyQuail · 21/08/2026 15:13

I wasnt instantly attracted to my boyfriend/DP when I first met him, as in it wasnt that instant spark, but i found him interesting, funny and he was a good listener. We spent more time talking, I loved his personality. After a few weeks when he kissed me I was blown away and that was it fancied the pants off him since!
But he is consistent, kind, thoughtful, puts a lot of effort in, affectionate, honest, I know he adores me and I adore him, I know he has my back no matter what. Its a very rare thing to find.

But it didnt start with the instant spark that some people seem to need

Arding · 21/08/2026 16:00

OneShyQuail - thank you for sharing! That is such a beautiful post!

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Thatsthebottomline · 22/08/2026 10:55

Arding · 21/08/2026 05:03

What makes a boyfriend desirable. What makes a boyfriend undesirable?

I'd say bad men are desirable and good men are disposable.

wafflesmgee · 22/08/2026 13:58

Thatsthebottomline · 22/08/2026 10:55

I'd say bad men are desirable and good men are disposable.

That’s really sad. I’d say the opposite, being married to a good man and seeing “bad” men get divorced around me.
I do believe people can and do grow and change so the labels of good and bad men are somewhat problematic. Eg my friend’s ex was a good man as a boyfriend but didn’t step up as a father, he is still a good human being like he wouldn’t harm anyone or steal etc but his actions or lack of action as a father were nevertheless extremely hurtful and “bad” over time

i think the key to a happier long term relationship is good communication, mutual respect and love.

flowersplease · 22/08/2026 14:12

I have and would never date a very ‘manly’ or ‘laddish’ man. I don’t want or need a protector and I find testosterone filled men deeply off putting at best. Wouldn’t go near a guy that is into the gym or sports, video games etc.

I like respectful, intelligent, academic, funny and caring men, men that reject male stereotypes. I like men that cook, clean and are good with children. I like men that read and create. I like men that are proud feminists etc.

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 22/08/2026 15:01

OneShyQuail · 21/08/2026 15:13

I wasnt instantly attracted to my boyfriend/DP when I first met him, as in it wasnt that instant spark, but i found him interesting, funny and he was a good listener. We spent more time talking, I loved his personality. After a few weeks when he kissed me I was blown away and that was it fancied the pants off him since!
But he is consistent, kind, thoughtful, puts a lot of effort in, affectionate, honest, I know he adores me and I adore him, I know he has my back no matter what. Its a very rare thing to find.

But it didnt start with the instant spark that some people seem to need

"it didnt start with the instant spark that some people seem to need"

I read recently that "the spark" is not automatically evidence of positive chemistry, it can actually be anxiety caused by threatening male behavior (e.g. dominance, unpredictability, jealousy, or boundary-crossing), but women have been trained by patriarchy to mislabel it as sexual attraction.

The body’s first response to excitement and fear is similar - a racing heart, faster breathing, tense muscles, sweating, and high alertness. The brain then distinguishes between the two - excitement and fear - by looking for context.

But in patriarchy, the context is blurred, because girls and young women are told that anxiety-inducing male behaviour is desirable. They're trained to not listen to their fear.

So a woman who feels anxious because of a man's pushy behaviour (for example) may actually think she is turned on by him. This phenomenon is called misattribution of arousal. It was neatly demonstrated by the Capilano Suspension Bridge study, which showed that men who crossed a high swaying suspension bridge (which caused intense anxiety) were significantly more likely to feel romantically attracted to the interviewer afterwards than men on a safe stable bridge.

So in fact, feeling "the spark" could actually be a red flag.

Feeling that you can be yourself and in fact not feeling your nervous system is on fire are probably better signs of true compatibility.

wafflesmgee · 23/08/2026 08:40

That’s really interesting, thank you!

cassie2and2 · 23/08/2026 10:04

all those things coinkidinky plus DIYing, cleaning, cooking all without a load of hffing and pffing and having taken the iniative himself Also doesnt drink gamble or do any other things to excess

moderate · 23/08/2026 10:48

flowersplease · 22/08/2026 14:12

I have and would never date a very ‘manly’ or ‘laddish’ man. I don’t want or need a protector and I find testosterone filled men deeply off putting at best. Wouldn’t go near a guy that is into the gym or sports, video games etc.

I like respectful, intelligent, academic, funny and caring men, men that reject male stereotypes. I like men that cook, clean and are good with children. I like men that read and create. I like men that are proud feminists etc.

Wouldn’t go near a guy that is into the gym or sports

I guess it depends on what you mean by "into" but it's important to build strength for healthspan into old age, especially if your job is sedentary.

flowersplease · 23/08/2026 22:23

moderate · 23/08/2026 10:48

Wouldn’t go near a guy that is into the gym or sports

I guess it depends on what you mean by "into" but it's important to build strength for healthspan into old age, especially if your job is sedentary.

Going to the gym for heath wouldn't bother me so much, I mean someone that is really into it to look good, have a six pack, always tracking macros and that kind of thing. My husband and I take a lot of long walks which is good enough for us.

Sports men aren’t for me, watching or playing, but if it was playing something very casual again I think I could look past it.

Arding · 24/08/2026 06:06

Thank you everyone for your valuable thoughts and comments.
Much appreciated.

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HorseandHeron · 24/08/2026 06:35

Intelligence
Kindness
Dry slightly offbeat wit
Shared interests
Energetic and up for doing new things, travelling etc
Kind to all animals (not just his own pet)
Housetrained - looks after his home and can cook
Good personal hygiene
Not jealous, negging or sexist.

I'm very attracted by character more than looks, so a man with all the above, whatever he looked like, woud be sexier than some god-like man who was only interested in the gym.

OneShyQuail · 24/08/2026 16:48

LouiseMadetheBestBroccoliPasta · 22/08/2026 15:01

"it didnt start with the instant spark that some people seem to need"

I read recently that "the spark" is not automatically evidence of positive chemistry, it can actually be anxiety caused by threatening male behavior (e.g. dominance, unpredictability, jealousy, or boundary-crossing), but women have been trained by patriarchy to mislabel it as sexual attraction.

The body’s first response to excitement and fear is similar - a racing heart, faster breathing, tense muscles, sweating, and high alertness. The brain then distinguishes between the two - excitement and fear - by looking for context.

But in patriarchy, the context is blurred, because girls and young women are told that anxiety-inducing male behaviour is desirable. They're trained to not listen to their fear.

So a woman who feels anxious because of a man's pushy behaviour (for example) may actually think she is turned on by him. This phenomenon is called misattribution of arousal. It was neatly demonstrated by the Capilano Suspension Bridge study, which showed that men who crossed a high swaying suspension bridge (which caused intense anxiety) were significantly more likely to feel romantically attracted to the interviewer afterwards than men on a safe stable bridge.

So in fact, feeling "the spark" could actually be a red flag.

Feeling that you can be yourself and in fact not feeling your nervous system is on fire are probably better signs of true compatibility.

Well, just to counter that.
Ive had a spark before, it wasnt anxiety or uncomfortable or anything like that it was just a physical omg your fit type thing.

I didnt have that this time around.

Not everything needs explaining with anxiety, or childhood trauma etc just saying

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