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Is it ok for my wife to have lunch with another unmarried man I do not know?

205 replies

cervera · 10/08/2021 16:15

Trying not to go mad at the moment - we have been married for 30 years, like every marriage it has had its ups and downs, but I would say we have a good marriage, my wife said the same just the day. We have two grown up children both now happily married and moved out. I really love my wife, she is my rock, I think she is hot...late last year she met this other unmarried man (her friend called him Eye Candy!)...they volunteer together for a charity, she was his mentor and all was fine. After the mentorship ended, they met for coffee, to discuss the volunteering roll and at this point I was not even thinking any bad thoughts. Then there was another coffee and a long walk, it was not a secret, she was very open about it - but I then started to be unsure. They shared lots it seems, they had a report she said, she really liked his 'banter'. His name came into conversation often.

There were fairly frequent WhatsApp’s between them - then there was an evening drink suggested, which really started to worry me - but I did not want to be an arse and upset a new friendship which she seemed to value greatly. I know my wife was unsure about it – she joked she was going for a drink with ‘her lover’ and admitted it made her feel good. I thought it would be a quick glass of wine and not much more, but four hours later - I was then really getting concerned. She came home and immediately fell asleep (she is not a big drinker) but I wanted to talk to her and tell her I was feeling unhappy about this now. They had discussed lots it seems, including him telling her that his latest relationship had just finished – but my wife had shared some things about me, that I was not comfortable with.

I did not sleep that night, until she woke up and asked if I was OK. I then said NO and told her why, I was feeling left out, jealous, unsure for the first time in 30 years…would she like it if I was doing the same? She was shocked, I said “you are a beautiful looking woman’ why would he not be interested in you – it was a difficult conversation – she then, I thought understood how I felt, could see how upset I was and said she would stop it. Another week passed – she came home much later than I thought from volunteering – they had been out for another coffee. I must of looked strange and went quiet - she was mad at me for trying to ruin her friendship.

I backed off, thinking it was all me being paranoid (please tell me if I am) but I could not settle, work, sleep, do anything – it then blew up 48 hours later – I said I cannot handle this and she called him and told him – they better not meet again, as ?! (my name) does not like this. Eventually things calmed down – but on holiday the WhatsApp started again from him – including a message saying – “…have not been in touch much as ?! (my name) does not like it” – I am thinking WTF, you know I asked this to stop and you are still doing it. Even the WhatsApp messaged ended with a X…the content was nothing much other than “we are sharing a shift together soon, fancy lunch before?”.

Well the next lunch is 10 days away, I feel crap, cannot sleep, work is tough – but am I being paranoid, I am trying to be cool about – my wife has told me it is happening – I do not want to cause another eruption and say NO you cannot go – it is not my place to do that. She can see I am stressed, but this friendship seems more important than my feelings and emotions. She seems to think it is all fine, but I know men, it helps being one!!!

Maybe I am over thinking this? Insecure? I do not want other men telling me to go around and smack him, that’s for sure. But there is no one to talk to about this? Thoughts? Advice?

OP posts:
RevolvingPivot · 10/08/2021 16:19

If you were a woman writing this then the posters would definitely tell you something was going on.

StoneColdBitch · 10/08/2021 16:20

This sounds like an emotional affair. Ultimately, if your wife won't respect your wishes on this matter, you have two choices: end the marriage, or stay put and wait to see if she leaves you for him.

YouHaveNoAuthorityHereJackie · 10/08/2021 16:21

I’d say you’re doing a good job of driving her away regardless of anything going on with this bloke. I’d not stand for my husband forbidding me from seeing people

Notnowkate · 10/08/2021 16:21

Mentionitis is the word.

Sakurami · 10/08/2021 16:22

Yeah I wouldn't feel comfortable about this.

samyeagar · 10/08/2021 16:26

Trust your gut.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 10/08/2021 16:29

Even if it's innocent she is being disrespectful to you. She knows how upset you are but is still continuing to see this man outside of the role. She could easily make something up like being too busy to go for lunch /coffee. By saying xxx doesn't like it she's sending him a message that she does.

Toomuchtodoo · 10/08/2021 16:29

My stance on this is
If people belong to a group, it's alright to go out for drinks or meals with them, but as a GROUP.
Going out, one on one, is way too coupley.
She's basically doing coupley things with him that she should be doing with you.

Would it help if you showed her this thread?

HalzTangz · 10/08/2021 16:39

I say it's possible for men and women to be just friends with no sexual feelings for each other. I'm a female and have many male friends, mind of which I'm attracted to at all, but all I would socialise with.
Your wife has been very honest about her friendship, if it was anything more I doubt she would declare to you any meetings or show you any texts.
I don't believe she's having an emotional affair.
Everyone literally puts an X on messages, I wouldn't read anything into that at all.

She works with him so you saying end the friendship isn't practical, it will only cause misery in the workplace for them and others working with them.
How much you feel if your wife started telling you who you could or couldn't socialise with, I don't blame her for taking a stance and continuing the friendship, but if you continue with jealously you will ultimately ruin your relationship.

Why not consider asking him for a meal so you can meet him, you may find that puts your mind at rest

Fluffycloudland77 · 10/08/2021 16:42

I wouldn’t be happy about it either.

SnatchCassidy · 10/08/2021 16:46

@HalzTangz

I say it's possible for men and women to be just friends with no sexual feelings for each other. I'm a female and have many male friends, mind of which I'm attracted to at all, but all I would socialise with. Your wife has been very honest about her friendship, if it was anything more I doubt she would declare to you any meetings or show you any texts. I don't believe she's having an emotional affair. Everyone literally puts an X on messages, I wouldn't read anything into that at all.

She works with him so you saying end the friendship isn't practical, it will only cause misery in the workplace for them and others working with them.
How much you feel if your wife started telling you who you could or couldn't socialise with, I don't blame her for taking a stance and continuing the friendship, but if you continue with jealously you will ultimately ruin your relationship.

Why not consider asking him for a meal so you can meet him, you may find that puts your mind at rest

But if you knew it was upsetting your partner and causing distress yet still did it regardless of his feelings?
Toomuchtodoo · 10/08/2021 16:46

I don't know anyone in RL who would be happy about this.

penguinwithasuitcase · 10/08/2021 16:50

'you are a beautiful looking woman’ why would he not be interested in you

Ah, that old chestnut.

pinkmoon18 · 10/08/2021 16:51

Listen to your gut

I wouldn't be happy with this

WatieKatie · 10/08/2021 16:53

I have many male friends who are in relationships. We go out for coffee, lunch, drinks and WhatsApp. Although no kisses. There is absolutely nothing in it other than a friendship.

Surely you trust her?

Daisy778 · 10/08/2021 16:54

It certainly sounds like she is enjoying his company and that it has moved on to a more intimate friendship. From your version of events, your wife does sound like she is being insensitive and disregarding your feelings. I suspect the attention is making her feel good and doesn't realise herself what she is craving from the friendship.

I personally would not be comfortable with their level of intimacy. Do they go out as a group at all or is always just as a pair?

dcilovett · 10/08/2021 17:00

@YouHaveNoAuthorityHereJackie

I’d say you’re doing a good job of driving her away regardless of anything going on with this bloke. I’d not stand for my husband forbidding me from seeing people
This...

I have a great male friend from work who I enjoy walks and coffee with. Definitely nothing else between us. I would not be impressed if DH tried to interfere with our friendship.

Are you making an effort to spend time with your wife doing fun stuff? Walks, wine etc. Or just getting annoyed that she's enjoying those things with her friend?

Why not suggest meeting this man - cook dinner or join them for a drink? My friend knows all our family and recently joined us on holiday for a day. Spent most of the time talking to DH now that I think about it.

If your wife is secretive or weird then you may have an issue but you don't know anything for sure at the moment.

Antiqueanniesmagiclanternshow · 10/08/2021 17:01

it sounds like an emotional affair to me and i would NOT be happy if my dh was doing this

Random789 · 10/08/2021 17:04

I'd be pissed off if my husband tried to wreck my friendship with a man I was volunteering with. Do you really have any good reason to believe that she is being unfaithful to you -- ie evidence, rather than a conviction that is just based on your anxiety/jealousy ? If so, then of course you would be right to confront her and ask her to stop seeing him.
But your post seems to suggest that the mere fact that the relationship makes you feel anxious/jealous is the only evidence you have that she is doing anything wrong. If she is not in fact being unfaithful it would be very wrong to put pressure on her to change the way she is behaving just to reassure you

RubyFowler · 10/08/2021 17:06

I think you should suggest meeting him and genuinely try and get to know and like him.
If she's reluctant to do this, it probably tells you what you need to know.

I do have a close male friend, but met as children and have always been friends with his girlfriend and now wife as well. Its just disrespectful otherwise.

LifesNotEnidBlyton · 10/08/2021 17:07

You will likely get a harder time on here than a woman posting the same about her DH OP. But I dont think you're wrong for worrying about this. It sounds like an extremely close friendship anyway but when you then see that she has told you she likes it and it is making her feel good having this attractive mans attention it doesnt sound innocent. It sound like she at least is having a flirtatious and emotionally intimate relationship with this man, and the way she has just ignored your thoughts and feelings doesn't really help.

Obviosuly she can be friends with whoever she wants to. But it doesnt sound like an innocent friendship. She knows you are feeling hurt but has actually mocked you (because I think "I havent text becuase DH doesnt like it" is loaded with the implication that she cant even keep this between yourselves and doesnt care if you're seen as a bad guy) to this man. She could have just told you "I'm seeing him whatever you think and say" and at least you could have made a choice about what you wanted to do (I.e stay or leave because you thought it emotional cheating). But she hasn't. She has lied and not kept your thoughts just between the two of you.

So you cant stop her being friends with him.

But if you are uncomfortable with their relationship you've done the right thing by telling her and would be right to explain how her lying and saying this to him has made you feel, and it is ok for you to leave (though that would obviosuly be hard after so long and when you are married) if you feel that this isn't something you are ok with.

Outfoxedbyrabbits · 10/08/2021 17:08

I have a good (male) friend with whom I go out for drinks/dinner without either of our respective spouses. However, I don't being him up all the time in conversation (mentionitis), nor do I refer to him as "my lover" Confused It does not make me "feel good" in any way different to spending time with my other friends and we don't really discuss our relationships (beyond general chit chat such as, "What is so and so up to at work at the moment?" - certainly nothing personal).

I would read Not Just Friends by Shirley Glass. From your description it does sound like it is straying into emotional affair, rather than platonic friendship, territory,

Nowhereelsetogo90 · 10/08/2021 17:08

I saw the title and came on to tell you YABU but now not so sure…a male friend is fine as is lunch or a drink etc but this man seems to occupy a lot of her time and head space. Previous poster said mention-itis which sounds right. Sit down with your wife calmly and explain that you feel you aren’t as important as this man to her and how upset you are.

SusannahSophia · 10/08/2021 17:10

It sounds like an emotional affair to me, too. I wouldn’t be happy with them going out together, just the two of them. And the mentionitis too.

GooodMythicalMorning · 10/08/2021 17:12

My H did this. He then told me he loved her, moved out and is now living with her.