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Is it ok for my wife to have lunch with another unmarried man I do not know?

205 replies

cervera · 10/08/2021 16:15

Trying not to go mad at the moment - we have been married for 30 years, like every marriage it has had its ups and downs, but I would say we have a good marriage, my wife said the same just the day. We have two grown up children both now happily married and moved out. I really love my wife, she is my rock, I think she is hot...late last year she met this other unmarried man (her friend called him Eye Candy!)...they volunteer together for a charity, she was his mentor and all was fine. After the mentorship ended, they met for coffee, to discuss the volunteering roll and at this point I was not even thinking any bad thoughts. Then there was another coffee and a long walk, it was not a secret, she was very open about it - but I then started to be unsure. They shared lots it seems, they had a report she said, she really liked his 'banter'. His name came into conversation often.

There were fairly frequent WhatsApp’s between them - then there was an evening drink suggested, which really started to worry me - but I did not want to be an arse and upset a new friendship which she seemed to value greatly. I know my wife was unsure about it – she joked she was going for a drink with ‘her lover’ and admitted it made her feel good. I thought it would be a quick glass of wine and not much more, but four hours later - I was then really getting concerned. She came home and immediately fell asleep (she is not a big drinker) but I wanted to talk to her and tell her I was feeling unhappy about this now. They had discussed lots it seems, including him telling her that his latest relationship had just finished – but my wife had shared some things about me, that I was not comfortable with.

I did not sleep that night, until she woke up and asked if I was OK. I then said NO and told her why, I was feeling left out, jealous, unsure for the first time in 30 years…would she like it if I was doing the same? She was shocked, I said “you are a beautiful looking woman’ why would he not be interested in you – it was a difficult conversation – she then, I thought understood how I felt, could see how upset I was and said she would stop it. Another week passed – she came home much later than I thought from volunteering – they had been out for another coffee. I must of looked strange and went quiet - she was mad at me for trying to ruin her friendship.

I backed off, thinking it was all me being paranoid (please tell me if I am) but I could not settle, work, sleep, do anything – it then blew up 48 hours later – I said I cannot handle this and she called him and told him – they better not meet again, as ?! (my name) does not like this. Eventually things calmed down – but on holiday the WhatsApp started again from him – including a message saying – “…have not been in touch much as ?! (my name) does not like it” – I am thinking WTF, you know I asked this to stop and you are still doing it. Even the WhatsApp messaged ended with a X…the content was nothing much other than “we are sharing a shift together soon, fancy lunch before?”.

Well the next lunch is 10 days away, I feel crap, cannot sleep, work is tough – but am I being paranoid, I am trying to be cool about – my wife has told me it is happening – I do not want to cause another eruption and say NO you cannot go – it is not my place to do that. She can see I am stressed, but this friendship seems more important than my feelings and emotions. She seems to think it is all fine, but I know men, it helps being one!!!

Maybe I am over thinking this? Insecure? I do not want other men telling me to go around and smack him, that’s for sure. But there is no one to talk to about this? Thoughts? Advice?

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layladomino · 10/08/2021 17:12

I think you've been very level headed and fair about this. It sounds like you were very happy for your wife to befriend this man, happy for her to go for coffees etc. You weren't irrationally jealous or controlling.

But then she took it further - went out for drinks. Came back later than expected. Mentionitis. And when you've raised your (reasonable under the circumstances I think) concerns she told you she'd stop, then met him again just a week later. And has continued and told you she's going to, whatever you think.

Yes this is suspicious. Of course men and women can be friends. Of course we shouldn't police who our OH are friends with. But this sounds like it's moved in to emotional affair territory, and she is refusing to give him up despite knowing that's upsetting you, and why.

Not sure what the answer is, but no I think your reactions are fairly normal.

SnatchCassidy · 10/08/2021 17:14

I'd agree it sounds to have gone a little further than a harmless friendship.

PeonyTime · 10/08/2021 17:19

I too came on to say of course it's ok - and indeed something I have done - he is now happily married, and I (but not DH) was invited to the wedding. We still meet up, minus spouses.

However, your actual message seems to go beyond a friendship, and into emotional affair territory, and I dont think its unreasonable for you to be uneasy about the situation.

Aquamarine1029 · 10/08/2021 17:19

Your wife is playing with fire. It is clear this has gone beyond an appropriate friendship.

Meirou90 · 10/08/2021 17:20

Anyone who says they would be fine with this are either lying or living on another planet. This is not ok.

WallaceinAnderland · 10/08/2021 17:20

It's an emotional affair and it sounds like he is pushing for more. You have explained how it makes you feel and neither of them are respecting your boundaries.

she joked she was going for a drink with ‘her lover’

This is entirely unreasonable and you are not wrong to ask her why she continues this inappropriate relationship even though you've asked her not to.

dementedma · 10/08/2021 17:20

You dont get to control or dictate who your wife is friends with.
Invite him round for dinner one evening with both of you.

RantyAunty · 10/08/2021 17:30

You know there is no such thing as men and women friendships.

She is being disrespectful. She knows you don't like these one on one things but she continues. I like the idea of inviting him for dinner.

You've mentioned her being beautiful. How often do you take her on dates? If all she has is volunteering she may be bored and enjoying the attention from this guy. Are you both retired?

forumdonkey · 10/08/2021 17:31

After all the years you've been married and this is the first time you've felt something was off and voiced it, I would say, go with your gut. How often did they message each other?

For me, if this is the first time you have voiced your objections, your feelings should come before his. If it is a friendship, there shouldn't be lots of texts and long walks

WallaceinAnderland · 10/08/2021 17:34

@RantyAunty

You know there is no such thing as men and women friendships.

She is being disrespectful. She knows you don't like these one on one things but she continues. I like the idea of inviting him for dinner.

You've mentioned her being beautiful. How often do you take her on dates? If all she has is volunteering she may be bored and enjoying the attention from this guy. Are you both retired?

That's not true! Plenty of people have friends of the opposite sex.

The difference here is that OP is getting a gut feeling that his wife is more invested in this friendship to the point that he is being sidelined.

They need to talk again. Maybe couples counselling would help so that she can really hear what the problem is.

Itsseweasy · 10/08/2021 17:40

There’s a way to suss out what’s going on here - invite him round for a meal. My husband has female friends but he always involves me when he sees them (unless I don’t fancy it.)
Wanting to keep their “friendship” away from you rings a lot of alarm bells.
The mentionitis and him making her feel good sounds like a lot more than friends to me…

Opentooffers · 10/08/2021 17:43

The way I see it, OM definitely has feelings for her. This can be seen by him still being keen to communicate and arrange private drinks, car sharing etc. I've been on the other end where I was friends with someone I worked with - all fine until I split up with my BF and became single, then his GF started displaying obvious signs she felt I was a threat. I was upset by this as I was in no way interested in that way. So what I did was back off as soon as I realized how she felt.
Her friend now knows you are not happy, but it doesn't sound like he has backed off one iota, ergo, he is interested.
You will only find out how she feels about him by asking her directly. Hopefully after 30 years, you should be able to tell. If I was her and it was innocent, I would not protest and get angry, I would try to reassure you as much as possible, be extra loving, make sure I made time for you, do the same things with you - meals out, etc. and I would invite you along sometimes. Is she doing any of that? Because if she is just protesting and becoming more distant with you, then she's getting her head turned. It's a tricky one, she may not even be aware of it herself, she is possibly convincing herself that it should be fine as nothing physical has happened, but things may well sneak up on her.

TheFoundations · 10/08/2021 17:43

Nobody can tell you if you're being paranoid because none of us know if she's having an affair with him.

The concerning thing is that she's over riding your feelings. Even if it's innocent, you'd want her to give a shit that you're feeling bad. She wouldn't have to stop seeing him, but there's things she could do, like suggest you all go out for a drink together or invite him over to your house with your prior knowledge. She doesn't seem to care about the fact that you feel terrible, and regardless of whether or not she's having an affair, that's not good form from her.

ZenNudist · 10/08/2021 17:44

Really difficult. It doesn't sound like you have trust in the relationship and it can't be good if she is so keen on keeping this "friend".

It seems like they already have strong feelings if she's started up again despite you asking her not to. Could you go to counselling. You sound like you're in a bad way.

Either she's in an EA or you're jealous. Either way you need help.

spotcheck · 10/08/2021 17:51

I agree with the pp who said that if, after 30 years of never having issues, this has raised alarm bells.

Of course she has the right to be friends with whoever she wants to be friends with. However... There are a few things that ( for me) would cross a line-

Them demonising you. Massively disrespectful that she would share a private conversation with the source of your concern. It also turns their friendship into a ' you and me against the world' scenario, and you have been cast as the bad guy.

Her jokingly refering to him as her lover. What??!!??

Her going out for a drink right after you aired your concerns.

Personally, I would give her loads of space, and invite him round for dinner, making sure you are casual and friendly.

I'm wondering though- sometimes women at that age do want to explore the world a bit more, especially if they have been looking after house/ children etc, and they now have more freedom.
Perhaps it is a good idea to start new hobbies, maybe travel a bit.

seensome · 10/08/2021 17:58

Yes it worry me, it's not just lunch otherwise normal for work or volunteering but the long walks, evening drinks just them two and the messaging would ring alarm bells, it could possibly be a full on affair already sorry to say. Out of respect for you she should of toned it right down and not blame you by dropping your name into the conversations, it's also strange that he hasn't backed off after this.
How do you honestly see the relationship, it's clear you're not happy and with her spending time with him, do you not go out together too?

MissyB1 · 10/08/2021 18:04

Have you met him? If not Why hasn’t she introduced you? If either me or Dh had a new friend we would introduce them to the other, she seems very keen to keep him to herself.

Invite yourself along on their next date. You will be able to tell if there is anything going on between them.

HalzTangz · 10/08/2021 18:11

Yes I would continue a friendship, if my partner wants to be jealous that's on him to deal with, it's not down to me to stop anything just because he can't cope with jealously

UserNameNameNameUser · 10/08/2021 18:18

I agree with the people who have said get her to nite him around. It there’s nothing going on then it’s all good and you can all be friends together. If there is something going on then it will at least make her feel awkward and make her aware that what she’s doing isn’t quite right.

girlmom21 · 10/08/2021 18:28

I think you've been very understanding and patient and if this is the first time you've doubted her in 30 years you've felt like this you should trust your instincts.

Ask to meet him. See how she reacts and how the interact.

SleepingStandingUp · 10/08/2021 18:33

@Oblahdeeoblahdoe

Even if it's innocent she is being disrespectful to you. She knows how upset you are but is still continuing to see this man outside of the role. She could easily make something up like being too busy to go for lunch /coffee. By saying xxx doesn't like it she's sending him a message that she does.
Its the truth though. Why is lying about it respectful? And what about him being disrespectful in not trusting her and trying to control her friendships?
5128gap · 10/08/2021 18:43

It's entirely possible that if this goes on they will develop feelings for each other if they haven't already. Both are attractive, they get on, have a bond via their volunteering, and seem to want to be in frequent one to one contact. The fact that your wife is open is meaningless, best case scenario she is going nothing wrong yet. Worst case she is hiding in plain sight. Your wife is a mature woman, she will know where this could be heading and should be distancing herself to protect her marriage not just your feelings.

isitsummertimeyet · 10/08/2021 18:46

@YouHaveNoAuthorityHereJackie

I’d say you’re doing a good job of driving her away regardless of anything going on with this bloke. I’d not stand for my husband forbidding me from seeing people
I bet if your husband was meeting single women for drinks and meals you would be posting on here shall I LTB

Double Standards much

Theres red flags all over this from the OP 1st post.

Marcee · 10/08/2021 18:48

@RevolvingPivot

If you were a woman writing this then the posters would definitely tell you something was going on.
Agree if it was the other way round d we would be saying there is more going on, and likely the relationship will end
PositiveLife · 10/08/2021 18:48

Does she have other male friends? If she does, and it's only this one you've got concerns about then I'd say trust your gut. If not, because you "forbid" it, then you're being unreasonable to dictate her friendships.

I have numerous male friends who I go out for meals with, do activities with, etc. If my partner said I wasn't allowed, he'd become an ex-partner very quickly.

That said, I do think that people should trust their gut instinct and if something feels off with someone in a way it doesn't with others, then they should listen to that.