Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Is it ok for my wife to have lunch with another unmarried man I do not know?

205 replies

cervera · 10/08/2021 16:15

Trying not to go mad at the moment - we have been married for 30 years, like every marriage it has had its ups and downs, but I would say we have a good marriage, my wife said the same just the day. We have two grown up children both now happily married and moved out. I really love my wife, she is my rock, I think she is hot...late last year she met this other unmarried man (her friend called him Eye Candy!)...they volunteer together for a charity, she was his mentor and all was fine. After the mentorship ended, they met for coffee, to discuss the volunteering roll and at this point I was not even thinking any bad thoughts. Then there was another coffee and a long walk, it was not a secret, she was very open about it - but I then started to be unsure. They shared lots it seems, they had a report she said, she really liked his 'banter'. His name came into conversation often.

There were fairly frequent WhatsApp’s between them - then there was an evening drink suggested, which really started to worry me - but I did not want to be an arse and upset a new friendship which she seemed to value greatly. I know my wife was unsure about it – she joked she was going for a drink with ‘her lover’ and admitted it made her feel good. I thought it would be a quick glass of wine and not much more, but four hours later - I was then really getting concerned. She came home and immediately fell asleep (she is not a big drinker) but I wanted to talk to her and tell her I was feeling unhappy about this now. They had discussed lots it seems, including him telling her that his latest relationship had just finished – but my wife had shared some things about me, that I was not comfortable with.

I did not sleep that night, until she woke up and asked if I was OK. I then said NO and told her why, I was feeling left out, jealous, unsure for the first time in 30 years…would she like it if I was doing the same? She was shocked, I said “you are a beautiful looking woman’ why would he not be interested in you – it was a difficult conversation – she then, I thought understood how I felt, could see how upset I was and said she would stop it. Another week passed – she came home much later than I thought from volunteering – they had been out for another coffee. I must of looked strange and went quiet - she was mad at me for trying to ruin her friendship.

I backed off, thinking it was all me being paranoid (please tell me if I am) but I could not settle, work, sleep, do anything – it then blew up 48 hours later – I said I cannot handle this and she called him and told him – they better not meet again, as ?! (my name) does not like this. Eventually things calmed down – but on holiday the WhatsApp started again from him – including a message saying – “…have not been in touch much as ?! (my name) does not like it” – I am thinking WTF, you know I asked this to stop and you are still doing it. Even the WhatsApp messaged ended with a X…the content was nothing much other than “we are sharing a shift together soon, fancy lunch before?”.

Well the next lunch is 10 days away, I feel crap, cannot sleep, work is tough – but am I being paranoid, I am trying to be cool about – my wife has told me it is happening – I do not want to cause another eruption and say NO you cannot go – it is not my place to do that. She can see I am stressed, but this friendship seems more important than my feelings and emotions. She seems to think it is all fine, but I know men, it helps being one!!!

Maybe I am over thinking this? Insecure? I do not want other men telling me to go around and smack him, that’s for sure. But there is no one to talk to about this? Thoughts? Advice?

OP posts:
HoliHormonalTigerlilly · 11/08/2021 09:02

@Bluntness100

God this is the wrong place to ask, opposite sex friendships garner the same absolute hysteria that two glasses of wine does.

You can’t dictate your wife’s friendships, it’s controlling and not ok. No matter how many randoms tell you you can. She is an adult and can be friends with who she pleases.

If you don’t trust her address it, deal with the core issue. Do not try to decide who she’s allowed to be friends with.

This.
Perriwinkles · 11/08/2021 09:29

@KimDeals and @AlternativePerspective

I too have many male friendships and my former partners were never threatened because I didn’t refer to them as my lover and I didn’t see them so regularly. This is a new friendship with a man who she is sharing intimate details with. As I said upthread, I think @cervera ‘s wife is very much looking for attention and I think her new ‘friend’ is using her as a counsellor/confidante. I know I could be wrong but it doesn’t sound like a normal progression of a new friendship to me given the frequency of contact.

An emotional affair is if a couple are exchanging sexual messages about how they want to be together/what they want to do to each other etc. Having conversations and even being supportive is not an emotional affair

I disagree. An emotional affair is emotional intimacy with someone else that goes deeper than that with one’s partner.

Are you still there OP @cervera ??

Cozytoesandtoast00 · 11/08/2021 09:39

bluntness 100 Agree with this!!
Nobody owns anyone else.

WallaceinAnderland · 11/08/2021 10:14

If you don’t trust her address it, deal with the core issue. Do not try to decide who she’s allowed to be friends with.

I think that is what he has been trying to do but because she seems to be shutting him out and forming a closer bond with this man, OP has come here to ask for advice. I don't think he really knows what to do next and because none of us know him or his wife/their relationship, it's really difficult to tell if there is more to this.

Based on what he has posted, no, I would not be happy with that in my relationship and my dh has 3 close female friends but their friendships are nothing like what OP describes here. He doesn't call them lovers or have mentionitis. He doesn't bad mouth me to them or openly mock me like OPs wife has done. If he did I would also be assessing the situation and yes I would ask him to stop, for sure.

Only those in the situation know what the undercurrents are.

Crikeyalmighty · 11/08/2021 10:41

@Cozytoesandtoast00. Whilst I don’t disagree that no one ‘owns’ anyone else, if you have been married 30 years plus then I think it’s natural to feel a bit off about your wife going on lots of coffees and drinks with a new friend of the opposite sex— who she has also described as eye candy and ‘meet my lover’ If it’s all open and above board why not just invite him round for a drink etc- I have no issue with genuine platonic friends of the opposite sex but in my experience when it’s all a bit secretive there’s often some kind of ‘thing’ going on- even if it’s just an ego boost or crush and it’s clear this bloke is keen on her. To give you an example my H often got texts from an old work friend who I knew well too— but comments were made and texts discussed with me like ‘you would never guess who xx has bumped into in town etc’ - when my H had a crush/emotional affair with someone else - there were often 5 and 10 texts a day on our phone bills— those texts were never ever mentioned . There’s a really big difference in my opinion between genuine platonic friends and ‘friends’ and the difference is openness.

GoAwayCat · 11/08/2021 11:05

I'm with KimDeals, Bluntness and Alternative here.

I have many friends of the opposite sex, if my DH was losing sleep over me going for lunch before a shift I'd wonder if he'd lost the plot a bit.

My priority is my DH and my marriage/family, always, but nurturing friendships with people I click with is a close second. If I was being told how I was/wasn't able to do that I'd be pretty unimpressed.

Bluntness100 · 11/08/2021 11:10

If she has a friendship with a new female friend and he was trying to stop it the responses would be very very different. There should be no gender bias here. Suggesting she has to invite him round so the op can in some way join in is ludicrous. Again imagine suggesting she can onky see her female friend if she comes to the house and the husband can join. There would be an outcry.

The bottom line is if he thinks his wife is going to cheat on him then banning her from socialising alone with other men is hardly going to stop her or enhance their marriage, no matter how many people think it’s the way to go,

Either he trusts her or he doesn’t. If he doesn’t then he needs to address that with her, her mate is irrelevant.

SixesAndEights · 11/08/2021 11:24

What stood out for me is that, in justification for his jealousy and suspicion, the OP said, "you're a beautiful woman, why wouldn't he be interested?".

Perhaps his wife sees herself as more than that.

As for the PP who thinks people should stop seeing friends if it upsets their spouses.... really?! That's very controlling!

SixesAndEights · 11/08/2021 11:26

I really love my wife, she is my rock, I think she is hot

Like I said, maybe she sees herself as more than your hot wife.

SixesAndEights · 11/08/2021 11:30

I am thinking WTF, you know I asked this to stop and you are still doing it. Even the WhatsApp messaged ended with a X…the content was nothing much other than “we are sharing a shift together soon, fancy lunch before?”.

You sound ridiculous.

KimDeals · 11/08/2021 11:39

[quote Perriwinkles]**@KimDeals* and @AlternativePerspective*

I too have many male friendships and my former partners were never threatened because I didn’t refer to them as my lover and I didn’t see them so regularly. This is a new friendship with a man who she is sharing intimate details with. As I said upthread, I think @cervera ‘s wife is very much looking for attention and I think her new ‘friend’ is using her as a counsellor/confidante. I know I could be wrong but it doesn’t sound like a normal progression of a new friendship to me given the frequency of contact.

An emotional affair is if a couple are exchanging sexual messages about how they want to be together/what they want to do to each other etc. Having conversations and even being supportive is not an emotional affair

I disagree. An emotional affair is emotional intimacy with someone else that goes deeper than that with one’s partner.

Are you still there OP @cervera ??[/quote]
He didn’t say she shared “intimate” details, she shared stuff about him/them he wasn’t happy about.

And why is this defaulting to she is “looking for attention” Hmm She is enjoying a friendship. Looking for attention implies this is some sort of vanity for her. Maybe she’s being heard by fresh ears, maybe she’s enjoying getting to know a perspective from another walk of life, who knows? But it’s not right to shut her down just because its with a man.

My male friendships are different from my female ones - why wouldn’t they be, we have had different lived experiences so our perspectives are different. Men and women are different / doesn’t mean we are all hopping into bed or having emotional affairs.

Another poster said, it should be 2 - 5 texts per week as with female friendships, this is just nonsense.

Greystray · 11/08/2021 11:41

I think your best bet is to be honest but not overly emotional. You have the right to share your feelings. Don't mooch around the house like a little raincloud hoping that she is registering your angst. Be upfront. Ask her what she is getting from this friendship. It might flag up something that is missing for her in your marriage.

There is a possibility that she is having an emotional affair with this man and has no intention of stopping. Give her the opportunity to give you the full picture, and then decide what you want to do. If she won't stop seeing this man despite your feelings, I think you can pretty much call it an affair. It might be time to get some legal advice just in case.

Northernparent68 · 11/08/2021 11:42

@penguinwithasuitcase

'you are a beautiful looking woman’ why would he not be interested in you

Ah, that old chestnut.

What does that mean
Brefugee · 11/08/2021 11:45

You know there is no such thing as men and women friendships.

Utter tripe.

OP-well it could be an EA. It could be more. You've been together a long time. Are you set in your ways? Do you go out together?in groups? Do you have hobbies or interests? Are you taking her a bit for granted?

Only you know. But getting all jealous and trying to control who she sees? Not a good look on ayone

cervera · 11/08/2021 11:48

I have not forbidden anything, who would do that? - I just said I am not very happy about it. My wife has her own agency 100%.

OP posts:
Gilda152 · 11/08/2021 11:49

Get a single female friend of your own through a shared interest for example - who you can whatsapp and go out alone with and jokingly call your lover. If your wife is bothered by it, she needs to learn to be respectful of your feelings and have a wake up call, if she isn't , she's checked out.

Northernparent68 · 11/08/2021 11:51

Op, you’re getting a harder time than a woman would. I mean this nicely but the trust has broken down in your marrrage, it might be time to prepare for the worst.

cervera · 11/08/2021 11:54

Had to google what mentionitis is....interesting phrase.

OP posts:
cervera · 11/08/2021 11:55

Blimey - that would be a power play - not sure I am up to that.

OP posts:
Greystray · 11/08/2021 12:03

Get a single female friend of your own...

Power games are always a very bad idea, especially in these circumstances. If an affair is looming, this is what would give it the green light. Plus it would not be fair to drag another person into all this.

Just cut out all the drama and ask her exactly what is going on. Ask her why she is still seeing this man after she said she had stopped. It's clearly an emotional affair. And all you're doing at present is adding to the exciting loaded atmosphere.

Northernparent68 · 11/08/2021 12:03

I’d prepare for the possible end of your marriage, sort out your finances, strengthen friendships, take up hobbies and interests.

FatAnkles · 11/08/2021 12:19

OK I'll bite. (NRTFT).

My job is majority male. Something like 65% male to 35% female. So I get texts from males often, usually work related. One of them I consider a "fair weather friend" who, in addition to being a colleague will send me jokey texts messages and we share gripes about parenting and life in general. He doesn't pop up on my phone often, maybe once every three months or so, but apart from the banter there's nothing else. This friend helped me through a bad patch in my life (alongside all the help DH gave me) so it's nice he checks in occasionally to see how I'm doing.

My husband knows I work with this man. He knows that because of our schedules, we rarely see each other face to face. My husband knows I get texts from other men too, usually to swap a shift, or tell me something important about the job. He's not fazed at all. He has female friends through work, and I really don't mind either.

Admittedly neither of us have met our friends outside of work for coffee...but plenty of our friends do, with both sexes, and it's normal.

I also get the point that if it were a man spending a lot of time with another woman then of course he's cheating but I think it's nowhere near as black and white as it first seems. I do think men and women can be platonic friends, and be an outlet to get a different perspective.

Lovelybottom · 11/08/2021 12:29

@Oblahdeeoblahdoe

Even if it's innocent she is being disrespectful to you. She knows how upset you are but is still continuing to see this man outside of the role. She could easily make something up like being too busy to go for lunch /coffee. By saying xxx doesn't like it she's sending him a message that she does.
Yes I'd be upset about this too in your shoes OP. I would feel like my DH was saying "oh the wicked witch won't let us be together".
Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 11/08/2021 12:34

@FatAnkles

OK I'll bite. (NRTFT).

My job is majority male. Something like 65% male to 35% female. So I get texts from males often, usually work related. One of them I consider a "fair weather friend" who, in addition to being a colleague will send me jokey texts messages and we share gripes about parenting and life in general. He doesn't pop up on my phone often, maybe once every three months or so, but apart from the banter there's nothing else. This friend helped me through a bad patch in my life (alongside all the help DH gave me) so it's nice he checks in occasionally to see how I'm doing.

My husband knows I work with this man. He knows that because of our schedules, we rarely see each other face to face. My husband knows I get texts from other men too, usually to swap a shift, or tell me something important about the job. He's not fazed at all. He has female friends through work, and I really don't mind either.

Admittedly neither of us have met our friends outside of work for coffee...but plenty of our friends do, with both sexes, and it's normal.

I also get the point that if it were a man spending a lot of time with another woman then of course he's cheating but I think it's nowhere near as black and white as it first seems. I do think men and women can be platonic friends, and be an outlet to get a different perspective.

I think the point is the wife of the poster is going out for drinks and meals 1 on 1 with this other man.
Onthedunes · 11/08/2021 12:34

If you know where the forthcoming lunch is, turn up with your grown up children and sit at another table.

That would be fun.