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Is it ok for my wife to have lunch with another unmarried man I do not know?

205 replies

cervera · 10/08/2021 16:15

Trying not to go mad at the moment - we have been married for 30 years, like every marriage it has had its ups and downs, but I would say we have a good marriage, my wife said the same just the day. We have two grown up children both now happily married and moved out. I really love my wife, she is my rock, I think she is hot...late last year she met this other unmarried man (her friend called him Eye Candy!)...they volunteer together for a charity, she was his mentor and all was fine. After the mentorship ended, they met for coffee, to discuss the volunteering roll and at this point I was not even thinking any bad thoughts. Then there was another coffee and a long walk, it was not a secret, she was very open about it - but I then started to be unsure. They shared lots it seems, they had a report she said, she really liked his 'banter'. His name came into conversation often.

There were fairly frequent WhatsApp’s between them - then there was an evening drink suggested, which really started to worry me - but I did not want to be an arse and upset a new friendship which she seemed to value greatly. I know my wife was unsure about it – she joked she was going for a drink with ‘her lover’ and admitted it made her feel good. I thought it would be a quick glass of wine and not much more, but four hours later - I was then really getting concerned. She came home and immediately fell asleep (she is not a big drinker) but I wanted to talk to her and tell her I was feeling unhappy about this now. They had discussed lots it seems, including him telling her that his latest relationship had just finished – but my wife had shared some things about me, that I was not comfortable with.

I did not sleep that night, until she woke up and asked if I was OK. I then said NO and told her why, I was feeling left out, jealous, unsure for the first time in 30 years…would she like it if I was doing the same? She was shocked, I said “you are a beautiful looking woman’ why would he not be interested in you – it was a difficult conversation – she then, I thought understood how I felt, could see how upset I was and said she would stop it. Another week passed – she came home much later than I thought from volunteering – they had been out for another coffee. I must of looked strange and went quiet - she was mad at me for trying to ruin her friendship.

I backed off, thinking it was all me being paranoid (please tell me if I am) but I could not settle, work, sleep, do anything – it then blew up 48 hours later – I said I cannot handle this and she called him and told him – they better not meet again, as ?! (my name) does not like this. Eventually things calmed down – but on holiday the WhatsApp started again from him – including a message saying – “…have not been in touch much as ?! (my name) does not like it” – I am thinking WTF, you know I asked this to stop and you are still doing it. Even the WhatsApp messaged ended with a X…the content was nothing much other than “we are sharing a shift together soon, fancy lunch before?”.

Well the next lunch is 10 days away, I feel crap, cannot sleep, work is tough – but am I being paranoid, I am trying to be cool about – my wife has told me it is happening – I do not want to cause another eruption and say NO you cannot go – it is not my place to do that. She can see I am stressed, but this friendship seems more important than my feelings and emotions. She seems to think it is all fine, but I know men, it helps being one!!!

Maybe I am over thinking this? Insecure? I do not want other men telling me to go around and smack him, that’s for sure. But there is no one to talk to about this? Thoughts? Advice?

OP posts:
Gwenhwyfar · 13/08/2021 19:16

@Sakurami

Yeah I wouldn't feel comfortable about this.
Well, I do. It's quite normal to socialise with people you volunteer with and it would be a shit life if we were only allowed to meet up with people of our own sex.
AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 13/08/2021 19:38

@Gwenhwyfar

He’s acknowledged that. He was happy with them having a platonic relationship. He’s now concerned that it is venturing into something more.

I agree with him.

Gwenhwyfar · 13/08/2021 20:47

[quote AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken]@Gwenhwyfar

He’s acknowledged that. He was happy with them having a platonic relationship. He’s now concerned that it is venturing into something more.

I agree with him.[/quote]
I was referring to the posters saying you can't meet up with anyone of the opposite sex one-to-one.
Is there any evidence of anything more than a crush/flirtation though? I know MNers like to call those emotional affairs, but that's sometimes overegging it isn't it? As far as we know it's either genuinely platonic or possible slightly flirtatious.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 13/08/2021 20:52

For me, if my husband was behaving like this with a new female friend, it would be crossing a line.

I would also never do this to my husband. I’d never put my marriage under this kind of strain or test.

BananaMilkshakeWithCream · 13/08/2021 22:09

I think it’s fine. My DH used to have a ‘work girlfriend’ at his old place 😂 Now she, her husband and I are all really good mates and regularly go out together (and no, we’re not swingers!)

BananaMilkshakeWithCream · 13/08/2021 22:10

Obviously DH is included in our group, how did I miss him out 😂

Perriwinkles · 18/08/2021 23:19

But this man is newly single & talking about it to OP’s wife … not the same kind of sitch.

Somuddled · 18/08/2021 23:26

Not OK. I have male friends but none that I would jokingly call my lover!! And as soon as I knew it made my husband uncomfortable I would alter the relationship as he is my priority

Somuddled · 18/08/2021 23:48

These threads always go the same way OP. Sorry its probably not terribly helpful to you. There is a camp of people who are so resolute about men and women being able to be friends that they ignore key bits of information. In this case it's that your wife appears to enjoy this man's attention in a flirtatious way (e.g references to being lovers, liking his banter)

You know your wife, is she like this with all her friends or just him? For me the betrayal in your story came when she told hi. They should be in contact as much 'because you don't like it'. That's low.

douliket · 19/08/2021 05:41

I absolutely wouldn't Not be okay with this.
Your wife is overstepping the boundaries of your marriage/friendship.
I certainly would not be happy if my husband suddenly had a new "close lady friend" that do solo things just together?
To the posters that are condoning this, are you serious?it's all well and fine to be all forward thinking in forums like this but in real life, this is not how it goes!!
And I absolutely do not believe in platonic relationships where emotional bonds are developing. It's ridiculous to think otherwise.
This is already developed into an emotional affair.
Long walks, drinks etc..
They are obviously opening up close to each other and I wouldn't be happy with this as she only knows him a year!
Op, I would stand your ground and tell your wife again that you are uncomfortable with this and she should respect your wishes as you should in a vice versa situation.
Your wife needs to respect you as her husband of 30 years

Catlover1970 · 19/08/2021 12:12

I can see both sides on this one. You are in a long marriage and another man is paying your wife attention. I wouldn't be happy about it either - one the one hand you don't want to appear controlling - on the other this man might be a threat to your marriage. I think the fact she is still going out with him when you have asked her not to tells you two things

  1. She isn't respecting your feelings 2) She is drawn to him and doesnt want to give the friendship up I don't think this situation is looking good for your marriage tbh. Sorry
Spiderseatpants · 19/08/2021 12:48

I don't like the sound of this... I went a bit weird in my 50's - bit of a midlife crisis, got distracted by another man, withdrew into myself and kind of minimised my connection with my real life and my very real feelings for my lovely long term husband for a while. I came out of it with time and would never have actually done anything and my husband just let me get on with it.

Maybe insert yourself into their friendship somehow to keep her grounded, but not if it would escalate your upset. Because unfortunately at the moment he is more interesting than you are, and if you want to keep her you most definitely don't want to give her anything she could react against, such as telling her not to be friends with him. She is probably flattered and lying to herself about her fantasies and the person she will be angry with will be you. Remember that this is all about her, not you, so try if you can not to take it personally. Make good any weaknesses in the marriage. Find your own innocent outside interest to distract you, boost you and make you more interesting to talk to. Be the best husband you can be to show her how loved she is. Best thing in a midlife crisis situation is for the partner to be supportive and go along with the change as much as they can. I know it hurts. All the best x

Zenithbear · 19/08/2021 13:03

This is nothing to do with volunteering or friendship, they want to fuck each other.

It's so hurtful and a disgusting way to treat your partner.
I've been there, moved on and now very happy with my new dp.

WallaceinAnderland · 20/08/2021 19:32

How did it go on Wednesday @cervera

Believer99 · 20/08/2021 22:48

I am married have been for 7 years. I have a male colleague who I WhatsApp, snap chat, go out for lunch with and nights out. He is single, straight, successful. We are mates and that's it.

Absolutely nothing going on no feelings just mates. I hope this reassures you. My husband had not expressed any feelings of jealousy surrounding this at all.

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 22:57

@Believer99

But are your meet-ups as frequent as OP’s @cervera wife? Do you call him your lover? Has your partner expressed insecurity that you’ve ignored? Have you confided in this colleague about your marriage?

Perriwinkles · 20/08/2021 22:58

How did it go on Wednesday @cervera**

Yes, how did it go @cervera ?

cervera · 21/08/2021 07:54

I went out for the day with a good friend as advised - there was a lunch meet up and some volunteering done, but have just ignored it, not brought the subject up for discussion, will let it play out naturally. Keeping busy, thanks for asking.

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Tomselleckhaskindeyes · 21/08/2021 09:44

Did you speak to your friend about it. Don't forget you need real life support.

ÞruÞ · 28/07/2022 16:03

As soon as she found herself in a position to get the attention of a 'eye candy' guy she took it. That speaks volumes. Tell her to fuck off and go out with other women. She's going to sleep with him anyway, she just waiting until she can justify it, so at least you don't look weak.
Remember, she's done this not you. It's not OK what she's doing.

PurpleDaisies · 28/07/2022 16:05

ÞruÞ · 28/07/2022 16:03

As soon as she found herself in a position to get the attention of a 'eye candy' guy she took it. That speaks volumes. Tell her to fuck off and go out with other women. She's going to sleep with him anyway, she just waiting until she can justify it, so at least you don't look weak.
Remember, she's done this not you. It's not OK what she's doing.

You know this thread is a year old?

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girlfrien · 28/07/2022 23:57

Extremely weird calling him her lover.
How would she like it if boot was on the other foot.

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Cherryberrypie · 10/10/2023 02:01

I have had a long standing 20 yr friendship with a single male. We worked together for over ten years and now live in different countries. We occasionally would have lunch together, sometimes with other workmates and sometimes just us. Now we just share the occasional WhatsApp message, holiday photos etc and big life events.

My DP has met him many times and he could plainly see there was absolutely no romantic connection at all. If my friend wanted to visit us or even stay in our house for a few days while travelling that would be absolutely fine with DP, in fact he has even suggested it.

Now here’s the thing, I have never, not even jokingly referred to him as my lover, that would just be weird. We do not add kisses to our messages and nothing is kept hidden or secret. We do not discuss my relationship with DP or my friend’s relationships with his other female friends.

We share an easygoing, uncomplicated friendship, he feels like a brother to me as I have known him for so long.

if DP felt that our friendship was pushing boundaries, I would absolutely respect his feelings. If I was messaging my friend several times a day, most days, on top of seeing him at work and having lunches out, then yes, DP would have a point and I would definitely step back a bit (or a lot)

Fortunately, I love my DP and would not wish to hurt him that way.

OP, I would say your DW relationship with this man is straying into dangerous waters. Referring to him as her lover sounds like wishful thinking, I would be keeping a keen eye on this one.

Cherryberrypie · 10/10/2023 02:04

Oh bugger, just saw the Zombie alert

oh well, would love to know what happened if OP is still around