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Feeling lost and lonely (ex had an affair and left us - WE ARE MOVING ON!)

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Dee34 · 30/10/2011 17:20

Hopefully, I have done this correctly?!

Old thread here Thread1

Hi All,

This is my first post on these boards, though I have posted my story elsewhere......I just cant seem to stop thinking and mulling over things and searching for answers

Bit of a long story, but to start from the beginning, on Tuesday 28th Dec my ex announced that he was not in love with me anymore (usual cliches about being best friends, love you but etc). This of course sent me into a tailspin as I had just endured an awful xmas at his parents in Scotland that he insisted we go to (dont get on with his folks as they have never helped us out with DS and ex always seemed to avoid confrontation and would never raise any issues directly with them which made for an increasingly tense atmosphere). For background, back in November when I knew I would not be able to hack another xmas there and so I suggested we stay here and have a little family xmas, he told me that I was playing with people emotions by changing my mind and that I could stay here at home if I wanted but he and DS (2.5 years old) were going to Scotland regardless!! I guess I should have sussed that something was a bit iffy but I just brushed it off at the time (by Nov, affair had been going on for a month and actually between Oct - start of affair - and the bombshell in Dec, there was a difference in ex's attitude which I only really pin-pointed in the last few weeks). Anyway, we had a terrible night on the 28th - lots of crying, very emotional etc. I asked him if he was seeing someone else and he said no. I asked him to swear on DS life (childish I know, but said this in the heat of the moment) to which he replied no, he won't swear on his life as he doesn't do that sort of stuff but he held his hands up and promised he was telling the truth. I of course believed him as for me this was all out of the blue..On the Weds, I was quite teary and by lunchtime ex was saying that he was confused, needed some space etc. I said how about he stay in a hotel nearby and come round every day to see DS, take him out etc. I even phoned up several hotels for him to check rates and availability! This was during DS nap and by the time I had gone upstairs to get him, ex had done a spreadsheet and had decided he wanted to go to San Francisco instead. Some fluff about always liking San Fran from work trips (he has been there several times in the past year for genuine work reasons). Again, naïve fool that I was I agreed to him going. We drew up a list of issues that we would both think and work through (usual - lack of sex, though we were trying for baby number 2, arguing, his parents etc) and agreed not to tell any friends or family about what was happening until we knew what was happening ourselves so no one could 'influence' us. So ex went to San Fran and DS and I stayed here (everyone assumed he was here with us during whole period). Anyway, as soon as he was in San Fran his tone and attititude completely changed and he became very distant (he was relaxing and not looking at the issues or given them any thought etc). I finally 'broke' on NYE and asked him what was going on etc and that's when he said he had met someone but that nothing had happened between them, which was actually a lie.

To cut a long story short, he came back on Weds 5th Jan, determined not to work things out. Over the weeks I have learnt that other woman lives and works in San Fran, they met on a work trip in mid Oct last year (in a bar - only kissed - met on the second to last day before he headed back to the UK), had DAILY contact from the time ex returned home, started sleeping together during his next work trip out there in early Dec (a 5 night work trip) and that he was with her all along when he abandoned us over NYE to go to San Fran - he was having a lovely holiday, planning his life with her, whilst I was here like a muppet, trying to get an appointment with a sex therapist (as I obviously had 'issues'!). She is 30 (7 years younger than us) and had moved to San Fran from Nashville in June last year, so seems to me like there were a couple of lonely fools that met over some cocktails? Ex keeps banging on about how she is leaving her life over there (not quite sure what she is giving up bar a job and accommodation compared to what he is gambling with) to be with him, how he loves her so much, never felt like this before about anyone including me - starting to make me a bit sick if I'm honest. If you added up all the days they had actually been together from mid Oct to just before that post xmas trip, it amounts to around 6-7 days actually physically together and they weren't even together 24/7 as he was actually working on these two work trips (have confirmed with a colleague). So it was just hooking up at night and having lots of fresh and exciting nookie? Rest has been built around a deep emotional attachement from their daily calls/text/emails/webcams etc (probaby worse than having random one night stands I think). I think that even now tally of days is around 16 or so when you add on the NYE trip. But that is enough for her to give up her life and job and move here to be with him and he reckons she will be here in 3 months time (until then they will be racking up airmiles). I just dont understand it at all......I guess they are soulmates or star-crossed lovers that were destined to meet?! Everyone keeps telling me that he will one day wake up and see what he has done or that they will break up as soon as she gets here, but the flipside is that they may be together for a long while and that is something that I am now trying to reconcile with - esp as she will effectively be playing stepmum to DS even though ex doesn't really know anything about her bar what she has told him and shown him during their limited time together (of course there is the very real possibility that he is even lying about dates and that this all started way before Oct. I don't know and to be honest, don't care now as all it would prove is that he is more selfish and a bigger cheat and liar than first thought)....

Throughout all of this, ex has been going on about he need to be happy and how he has acted out of self preservation. And he has variously been unhappy for the last few months, 6 months, 9 months, 15 months, 18 months depending on what mood you catch him in when you speak to him.....unhappy for so long that I didn't notice it and yet only gets the balls to leave once he meets someone else? I can accept that we didn't have a 100% perfect relationship, but we had been together for 11 years and of course share DS so am shocked and hurt that it ended in this way. For his part, ex varies between assuming no guilt and saying that the affair was symptomatic of our relationship to wanting to do 2010 over again and make different choices and regretting going to the US over NYE and for making us go to Scotland over Xmas (apparently, as I made the atmosphere so tense for everyone, this was the last push towards making him decide to leave us.....though he hasn't commented on how his dad did his usual show of drinking 2 bottles of wine on xmas eve and not bothering to get up until gone midday so we were all sat around waiting for him as usual...).

Anyway, since then things have lurched along. He has said some horrid things to me and treated me like a fool at the best of times. I think he is so deeply entrenched in his feelings for the other woman that he has forgotten I am DS mum (again, keep asking myself, how and why can he feel so deeply for someone he has spent barely any time with?). For me, the hardest part now is facing up to the reality that I will no longer see my son every day as we move towards shared access and custody. Also hard is the fact that this other woman will be interacting with DS as and when he is staying with them. I do secretly hope that they both go back to the US (surely to happen if and when they have kids and don't think she will wait around for long as she does seem besotted with ex for some bizzare reason - her FB profile is a pic of them in you guessed it an aiprort!...) and ex only comes back here on his tod to see DS for holidays (selfish I know, but I can indulge a fantasy I guess).

Is he deluded or am I???? He has been focused on work a lot and seems to have lost a lot of his friends and social life - which I had noticed and tried to encourage him to get back up again. I am just heartbroken that he could do this to us - esp the cold and calculating way he abandoned us to go to San Fran to be with her over NYE and the fact that in the last 7 weeks our house has now gone on the market (cant afford it myself) and I am now out looking for any old job to support myself (oh, forgot to say, that I had taken voluntary redundancy from a very well paid job last March with his encouragement! When I called him up on this he said, 'oh well, but you didn't like that job anyway!!!')......
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Inbetween all the crying and anger, I do feel like I am going crazy........This is playing on my mind a lot now as he has just flown out today to go and see her in San Fran (6 night holiday, so will take their tally up to 21-22 days or so). It pains me that he will be taking her out for meals, whereas I had to practically nag him to death to book a babysitter for our anniversary in Dec ('nagged' him, as I usually arranged everything and was in need of some attention after his work trip - of course, I now know why he wasn't that bothered...). He will be having cosy conversations and intimate chats planning their future for when she moves here and talking about our son.

Does it get better? Does anyone have a crystal ball and can tell me they wont last....??!!

And how can I move on? I have tried the whole no contact thing - which worked for a while, but then I broke and sent him a long message about how he had ruined my life.... . I have read a ton of post affair books (including not just friends) but still struggle to make sense of it all some days. I know that he will definitely not come back as he has said this several times as he no longer loves me and the deep feelings he has for the OW. Trying to be positive but it is so, so hard some days........

OP posts:
catsrus · 27/08/2012 13:01

Hi all

Just noticed that this thread had some activity on it and great to catch up with what is happening in your lives - just wish our exs could behave like civilised human beings for once eh?. It's 2yrs in October that mine gave me the "not in love with you but no-one else" speech, and he's just coming up to his first wedding anniversary with the OW. She still has not met 2 of my 3 dcs, and has no interest in doing so. I am told via a mole relative that she asked my exMIL to remove all photos of my children from her house when she visited as it upset her to see them -WTF! (of course doting granny said 'no') I get the impression he's got his hands full, a full on Narc marries Narc relationship, my mind boggles.

The dcs are growing up and beginning to fly the nest, I'm on my own more and more, but lovely now to be able to have lots of MY friends come to stay so I've had a busy summer and it's been great. I have a job interview tomorrow for a pt temp contract which I hope will lead to a permanent post. If I eventually get a permanent ft job at this salary I can afford to keep the family home (which i love). I really do love being free to made decisions and manage the money and know what the financial situation really is. I have less money (obviously) but feel more secure as it's under my control.

Dolly I really hope you manage to sort out the access issues to suit you and ds, Dee, good luck in negotiating the emotions around the new half brother for your ds - I'm glad you are calmer than you thought you might be. Springy - how I wish I'd know about Narcs when I started on this journey - life would have made so much more sense, thanks for the link, I will have a look! my ex seems to fall into a Narc subset called Histrionic Personality Disorder - everyone I've show the details to is shocked by how well it describes my ex!

no matter how hard life is in practical terms I do think we are all better off without them Smile

springydaffs · 27/08/2012 17:07

ex's wife apparently got all teary when they passed the hospital my kids were born at. didn't want to be reminded that SHE IS NOT THEIR MOTHER.

narc/narc, as you say.

good luck with the temp contract cats. And good luck to everyone. Well, some of the stuff on the Melanie site reminded me of you ie feeling completely hollowed out etc. She calls it narc injury. If I can find the link I will post it.

love to all

catsrus · 29/08/2012 11:39

please do post the link if you find it springy - the term "hollowed out" is an interesting one, although I do feel my injury is more along the lines of having had to learn to be so well-defended that my outer edges are positively prickly, more hedgehog maybe Grin

springydaffs · 29/08/2012 19:55

oh yes, I am definitely on the prickly side

I think the horror of these relationships can make you so wary - in all relationships, unfortunately, not just romantic relationships.

anyways, here's what I figure: I survived it. I'm still alive, still functioning (just!). scratch the surface and it's evident that I have been lacerated on some level... but, hey, keep going eh. What can you do but keep going? I'm not going to let it destroy my entire life. I keep an eye out for fresh information and I just keep on keeping on. bravo us! Wink

the Melanie site (tonya Evans?) is fresh stuff. I've read a lot about narcissism and I must say, her stuff is fresh. HIghly recommended for the likes of us.

springydaffs · 29/08/2012 20:16

Here you go

This is part 1 of a 3-parter. I get email updates and I've received part 2, waiting for part 3. erm I'll try and see how I got that - hold on...

nope, I can't see how I got that. But here is her site. Maybe as you move around you will find how to get email updates.

springydaffs · 29/08/2012 20:19

aha! Just finished the video and she says how to get the updates.

phew Smile

springydaffs · 07/09/2012 09:30

well, what do you think, girls? Here is part 3.

I'd be interested to hear what you think.

HOpe everyone is well xxx

wellthatsdoneit · 25/09/2012 19:24

Just dropping in very quickly to say hello, and hope you are all well. In middle of starting cost action against ex for interim maintenance. He's paid nothing to the kids or I for over a year and I've had enough. I don't expect him to cough up so am prepared for another showdown.

V briefly - the kids came back, even with their passports! I think that's a big milestone out the way in terms of habitual residence. Dee - feel free to pm me any time re your ds going to the states. I feel pretty clued up on it now and could also pass on the details of my most excellent solicitor.

Strength and solace to all xxxxx

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