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could you advise for a friend please

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clog1985 · 01/07/2016 18:21

GHello. My friend little girl didn't get her school place she wanted. She will be 4 in August. She decided to keep her on waiting list on hope of school place a reapplying for reception next year year after her 5th birthday

She's had been told though that.. It's at council descreation as to weather they will put her in reception or year one. Becasue she has already applied for a reception class and had her name on waiting lists. She said she been told she will have to put an argument in to council as to why her child should have a place in next year's reception class instead of year one like other kids who she currently in nursery with now

She's wondering when she logs. Online in next round of admissions will it come up that she and already been offered a reception place and only offer her a year one place because she didn't take the one that was offered to her. She did actually put in to appeal but the silly woman has also decided not to show up for that also so surly. When council looks at her application for reception next year. This won't help her case. In not sure how it all works. She said if. Place opens up within this year's reception she will send her. Is the advice she has been given wrong?

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LIZS · 01/07/2016 18:24

I don't think she can stay on waiting lists and reapply for 2017. Won't it raise a query online when she enters her dd's DOB.

Panelchair · 01/07/2016 18:25

To defer a child's entry into school entails making an application (with supporting evidence) to the admissions authority, who then make a decision. It's not automatically granted. If your friend wants to defer admission she therefore needs to make a case to the admissions authority, not just apply again for YR entry next year.

PeaceNotPieces · 01/07/2016 18:27

Even on a waiting list this little girl may not get a place at the school mum wants.

Even if mum held off a year and wanted to start reception next September she would prob have a fight on her hands. Mum would have to seek medical professionals who are willing to write a report of sorts to say that this little girl will benefit from staying behind an extra year.

La's do not like keeping a DC back a year.

My DS is a July baby with a speech disorder and some social problems. I wanted to keep him back a year. For one reason and another my DS started reception this March and he has come on tremendously in every aspect. I now wish I'd sent him to school in reception last September.

By all means mum could look into it but my advice would be to take the reception place offered and keep her name on the waiting list.

What position is this little girl on the waiting list at the moment?

PeaceNotPieces · 01/07/2016 18:29

And it won't go against her with her not turning up to an appeal but it was a silly decision as she'll never know if she could have been awarded a place

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clog1985 · 01/07/2016 18:30

I remember you replying to my post regarding my daughter lol i did explain she has to defer her entry she seems to think though she can just apply. Again next year so ok show her these comments lol maybe it will sink in.

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clog1985 · 01/07/2016 18:31

When she enters all her details again online I thought it may not allow her to. Because she already has done it this year?

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smellyboot · 01/07/2016 18:35

She needs to get a grip on the admission system for her area. She can't just not turn up and reapply again. The criteria will be the same so she probably wouldn't get in anyway! What is she going to do with her in the meantime? What position is she on the waiting lists?
She needs a frank discussion with the LA admission team

LIZS · 01/07/2016 18:35

I don't think it will prevent her because she has previously but because her dd 's bday won't fall within the expected date range for entry in 2017.

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clog1985 · 01/07/2016 18:36

This little girl has no medical reasons to be kept behind tbh she's been in the nursery for 2 years with my daughter and both have hit all there develomental targets. There's no reasons to keep her behind other than she didn't get the school she wants. I personnal my think it because mum just wants that school. When there are plenty of other very good schools equally as good of not better in area. It was because she loves to far away she didn't get the school so ment non of her friends would be going with her but children make friends very quickly

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PeaceNotPieces · 01/07/2016 18:38

I really don't know about online. But your friend needs to find out all her options or she may end up with her daughter losing a years worth of development at a school and still having to go into year one at a school her mum doesn't want her to go to ifswim

GiddyOnZackHunt · 01/07/2016 18:38

The software will expect a birth date within a specified range i.e. 01/09/2012 to 31/8/2013 and won't let her complete the application ime

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clog1985 · 01/07/2016 18:39

From what I heard shes trying to move to area. Shes number 38 I think on list

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clog1985 · 01/07/2016 18:39

Her birthday date is 17 August 2012

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meditrina · 01/07/2016 18:40

It should flag that the date of birth is outside permitted range for a standard application.

And then either she'll have to change it to an application for a Y1 place, or she will have to see if she can make a successful case for an out-of-cohort application to be accepted.

LIZS · 01/07/2016 18:42

But she didn't feel strongly enough to go through with the appeal. If she missed out on distance this year, she has no guarantee that it won't be the same next. Also her friends will have moved on anyway. Tbh iiwy I'd distance myself , she sounds a bit deluded and needs to understand she won't necessarily get a place at that school either way so look at alternatives.

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clog1985 · 01/07/2016 18:44

Thank you All I will let her know what you have told me . I did advise her to. Check all her options. Just hope she listens her daughter can't afford to lose a year out of school it not fair on her. She was talking about keeping her home maybe dropping into a play group or nursery couple time a week but she needs to be at school. Thank you All

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clog1985 · 01/07/2016 18:46

From what she told me she plans on giving up her flat and moving back to her mums who lives in catchment area. Just so she gets school

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PeaceNotPieces · 01/07/2016 18:50

I can almost guarantee the little girl won't get a place in reception even if she waits a full year on the waiting list. 38 is very far down the list.

It's highly likely that if your friend wants to apply for a place in year 1 at the school in question the school is already going to be full of the DC in reception going into yr 1. And there's 37 children in from of this little girl that will be offered a place before her. Year one will be full too I'd imagine.

Your friend really needs to get informed And get her daughter in school.

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clog1985 · 01/07/2016 19:07

I agree with you the other school her second choice I think she was 13th. If hate for her daughter to be sent straight to year one that's would be a shock for her she needs to get her into reception

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PeaceNotPieces · 01/07/2016 19:25

Even in thirteenth position she'll be lucky to get a place. Again her second choice school will have their current reception children in year one next September. Hope she gets sorted

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clog1985 · 01/07/2016 21:01

She. Got her work cut out. I did tell her to start Looking around other schools but she refuses

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GiddyOnZackHunt · 01/07/2016 22:56

Did she get offered a place at all? And has she turned that down?

smellyboot · 01/07/2016 23:23

At 38th she'll have zero chance even in large transient school. At 13th is it's a big school she may have a chance.
I'll tell her she needs to get a grip and move on.
Harsh but she owes it to her child.

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clog1985 · 02/07/2016 00:10

She was offered a school a stone's throw from her flat when She turnt down because she wanted her daughter to be with friends and non of her friends was going there. (stupid move) the schools she wants are not big schools but are over subcribed.

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clog1985 · 02/07/2016 00:12

Thinks she forgets that kids make a new friendships quick

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