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School and home reading schemes incompatible.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 20:50

Ds needs to start work on ccvc words and be able to read 5 by the end of term according to school. At home he has been able to read ccvc's for 2 years. In fact he STARTED on ccvc's.

School not heard of reading scheme we are using at home but have pointed to a couple of ccvc's he has struggled on (well they have not been covered by home scheme), as evidence he is way below the 'general' level at home.

Shoukd I just shrug and ignore and expect him to be a free reader by the end of the year one way or another, or shoukd I video him for school?

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Cinammonandcaramel · 16/02/2013 20:53

Being able to read CCVC words means being able to decode any (regular) CCVC words - not just ones he's already learnt.

He should also be able to decode nonsense CCVC words.

These will be in the Y1 phonics check.

ilovepowerhoop · 16/02/2013 20:55

can he decode words and sound out unfamiliar words? Even if he hasnt seen a word before phonics should help him to be able to decode and work out what the word is.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 20:56

He can decode all the ccvc's that include the sounds knows, including nonsense ones. That means a LOT more than 5.

They might mean 5 particular ones of course but given how quickly he is learning at home I can't see it taking him more than a day, let alone a term

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 20:57

Yes. He can read unfamiliar words provided he has learned the component sounds.

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Cinammonandcaramel · 16/02/2013 21:02

There's only 26 possible sounds in CCVC words. Surely he's learnt them all by now?

Cinammonandcaramel · 16/02/2013 21:03

Is your scheme doing blends (like 'bl','br','gr' etc) instead of phonics?

OddBoots · 16/02/2013 21:04

Can you teach him the sounds for the words the school are targeting?

I know it is frustrating when you want to do things a different way from the school but they aren't going to change the way they do things for the whole class because you do it a different way. I found it easier as a parent (who did home ed for a while) is to do things the school's way for the main subjects but to be creative with other stuff.

simpson · 16/02/2013 21:04

What has the teacher said then, that he is not doing it at school??

Why could he not read the ones that the teacher asked him?

Surely it is up to the school to teach him the sounds before asking him to read a word with that sound in it.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 21:05

It doesn't do things in the same order, so after a couple he moves onto sight words and things like 'ime' come before other cc's.

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Cinammonandcaramel · 16/02/2013 21:08

A phonics scheme doesn't teach CC (blends). You don't need to. If you know 'g' and 'r' you don't need to learn 'gr' as a sound, because you can blend it yourself.

Sounds like his scheme is not up to date with how phonics is now taught.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 21:09

Odd boots. School don't tell me anything besides his targets are to be able to read 5 ccvc's by the end of the year. I don't know I they are specific ones that they have chosen, or just that they have never heard him read any.

I know reading isn't his favourite thing and he may well just not do it.

It is impossible to do it the school way as he is too far along in his home way that I started 2 schools ago when they told me he would never learn phonics and the teacher advised to teach him to sight read which was advice she ignored and just didn't teach him at all.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 21:10

No scheme isn't phonics. But it IS sound based.

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Cinammonandcaramel · 16/02/2013 21:10

A reading scheme that teaches 'ime' (as in time?) sounds very odd.

It should just be teaching i-e then he'd be able to read ime, ike, ive, ile......

Silly teaching each CC and VCV separately. Take forever to learn to read that way.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 21:12

Tbh, I can't figure out quite what is going on at school. I just see the target and get .

They did say at the beginning of the year that they have been noble to assess his reading level due to his reluctance.

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Cinammonandcaramel · 16/02/2013 21:13

Why can't you continue with your scheme and let school continue with their scheme?

They won't have 5 specific words in mind. They'll mean they want to see him read any CCVC word on 5 occasions.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 21:14

The scheme we use is very highly embedded in research and continues to develop through feedback from attainment.

It teaches 'Ime' and 'im' at the same time. It just doesn't waffle on about it iyswim.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 21:15

Well I can. Perhaps I should. That's what I was asking really. How much of a big deal is it?

Comprehension however, is a whole other issue!!!

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Cinammonandcaramel · 16/02/2013 21:18

The trouble with non phonics learn to read schemes is they normally don't teach you how to read any word. Which is what the school will be trying to do.

So I'd let school get on with teaching him how to read every CCVC word. And you continue with what you're happy with.

PandaNot · 16/02/2013 21:20

Which scheme are you using?

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 21:21

Headsprout.

It's designed to give the skills to read any word.

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Cinammonandcaramel · 16/02/2013 21:25

Well, it clearly hasn't so far.

If you're going to teach each CC and each CVC seperately, that's a lot of lessons......

MerryCouthyMows · 16/02/2013 21:26

Star - head sprout was the only way my DD eventually learnt to read, at 8.5yo.

She has always been behind her chronological age, due to the late start with reading (phonics went over her head for various reasons, APD, partial deafness, and ASD, sight reading didn't work either).

This year, Y10, age 14y11m, her reading age has FINALLY caught up to her chronological age.

Yet I fully believe that without Headsprout, she STILL wouldn't be reading!

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 21:28

No, because Ds hasn't completed the scheme. He can read all the sounds he has learned and any word made up of those sounds.

He can't read words that include sounds he hasn't learned. Which may or may not be words the school have tested him on.

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 21:30

Iirc some of them are taught separately and some are taught together depending on their frequency in those combinations in the English language (I think).

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StarlightMcKenzie · 16/02/2013 21:34

Thanks Merry. That sounds hopeful.

I was faced with a child that was being refused an education that woukd enable him to 'work out' words. Learning to sight read ALL words woukd have been an incredible number of lessons.

So I chose Headsprout on the basis of the research behind it. It's been so good that I started dd (nursery) on it too and she's flying.

But Ds doesn't seem to be showing his skills in school. Or the school are asking him to display specific skills he doesn't have and making general assumptions about his 'level'.

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