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listening to dc read.

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york78 · 03/07/2011 19:20

Elder dd is now reading at white level. She is reading books confidently. Maybe the odd word she doesn't know. Should I still be listening to her read the whole book. Current book has 60 pages.

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york78 · 03/07/2011 19:21

Also how many school books do you normally get through per week at this level? Thank you.

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bigTillyMint · 03/07/2011 19:23

Listen to her read aloud some of the time - looking for intonation, use of punctuation, etc.

If she reads silently, you could ask her questions about the text - not just literal ones, but where she has to infer / deduce and predict. But to do that you have to read the text too

clutteredup · 03/07/2011 19:24

'White' level is vague as different schools have different systems but it sounds like she is doing well.
It's still important to hear her read but you don't have to sit through the whole book - it's important for her to learn to read independently on her own.
You can listen to a few pages and let her carry on, ensuring if she's stuck with a word she can ask you wither stright away or more reasonably later or it will interrupt the whole flow. Talk to her when you pick up again about what she's read to check she's still following.
If she's not quite ready to do it on her own you can take turns reading, she reads a page , you read a page, that way of she's a slow reader she won't get fed up as the story is developing too slowly.
Sounds like she's coming along well - carry on the good work

clutteredup · 03/07/2011 19:26

A book like this might 2 or three weeks - not several a week!

clutteredup · 03/07/2011 19:26

'might take'

Smallstuff · 03/07/2011 19:29

Hi not an expert but DS1 (currently in year 2) is on lime one up from White. I hear him read about once a week and he tends to read me a chapter or two.
I have DS2 who is in year 1 and I have been concentrating on hearing him read this year so he is at a good level when he starts year 2 next year. I will have limited time to hear him read next year as DD starts reception and I will be concentrating on getting her reading.
I read to them myself every night at bed, the boys are listening to Raold Dahl etc.
DS1 is a complete bookworm and reads to himself a lot. I am probably not hearing him enough but just can't fit it in. Likewise he only reads at most once a week at school so i figure if they are not worried I won't be!
So no I do not think she should read 60 pages to you in one go and I get through less than one book a month.....

bigTillyMint · 03/07/2011 19:31

How many depends on how voracious a reader she is - DD would have read a few a week (aged about 6?), whereas DS would have taken 2 weeks for one

Hulababy · 03/07/2011 19:31

Once they are reading really well I'd listen 2 or 3 times a week, and once on chapter books, once a week for maybe 10 minutes or for a chapter.

Reading out loud is a different skill to reading in your head, so it is important to still listen to very able readers every so often, definitely throughout primary school.

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york78 · 03/07/2011 19:31

Thank you for that. White books do vary alot. Sometimes she gets wolf hill level 4 or 5 which we get though fairly quickly. However, this one is really dense. SO it would be ok than to take a week over it. Normally books are changed 3 timers a week and we have been struggling to get though them. She is in year 2 btw.

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Hulababy · 03/07/2011 19:35

Once on bigger books don't try and keep up with the changing 3 times a week thing. Just change them as and when she needs to.

Smallstuff · 03/07/2011 19:35

I really don't get the whole emphasis on reading aloud. I did it at school.... And then never again until I had children..... Not sure what the fuss is about once they can read....
I'd say taking a week for a book is fine... Changing three times a week at this level is a bit much!!,

Hulababy · 03/07/2011 19:40

Reading aloud is practise for being about to speak aloud, from a presentation, a speech, if teaching, etc. Most children will have to give a presentation at some point int heir secondary school schooling, and university - and possibly then in their future careers. Some people are good at it, some not so good. Being able to read fluently, at good pace and with good expression is not something that is a natural skill to most people - it needs to be practised. And this is the best time to continue with it.

clutteredup · 03/07/2011 19:40

Whle they are still learning it is important to listen to them as there are a lot of words that they can understand in context but pronounce incorrectly. My DS was a voracious reader early on and still is, he is Yr 5 and when I have time (less now as have 2 others to listen and read to) I listen to him as he is reading books which have complicated vocabulary and he will guess the word but either misunderstand sometimes or mispronounce it - so he is still increasing his vocabulary and he is beyond the reading age measurements in primary school. He has a few words he still pronounces incorrectly inspite of my best efforts, but I know where he has picked up his vocab from.

waitawhile · 03/07/2011 21:33

My DD is year 2 as well. I think it really depends on your child, how much energy you might have at the end of the day, dynamics at bedtime and so on and so forth.

My DD wouldn't pick up a book if we didn't listen to her read. We aim for a chapter a night. It sounds like I'm not the only one trying to balance more than one children at the early stages of reading :)

DS, in reception, is starting to read and has spelling so we are spending time with him as well. I'd say we sometimes take Friday and Saturday night off of reading and sometimes because I work evenings another night might get skipped. I'm really hoping that in 18 months we can almost be doing joint books again (wishful thinking).

DD has done the white and lime but I'd say that it's hard for her to understand her current books as they do seem to be aimed at older children. Anyone else had that?? I wouldn't always expect her to comprehend it all because her experiences in life are that of a 7 year old. Seems a bit strange and it is limiting her enjoyment. This obviously impacts of independent reading. I need some tips for sure. I know that there are a few kids in my daughters class that read independently and no longer to a parent. I dream of that day :)

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york78 · 03/07/2011 21:40

Yes I do find some of the books really boring. DD enjoys Wolf Hill books but I think even they are amed at older struggling readers. I also have a younger child who can read quite well but really needs encoragement. It is hard.

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waitawhile · 03/07/2011 21:41

I lie, I dream of the day we can share one book and the first two DC can read one page each and not worry about some darn reading record......not really a fair moan I suppose...

superjobeespecs · 03/07/2011 21:48

my DD has just finished primary 1 her books were averaging 30 pages by end of term and were 2/3 a week. she read them to me eveery night as part of her homework to be signed off on. i had no choice but to listen about biff chip and kipper and their fucking dog floppy but for the most part enjoyed it

blackeyedsusan · 03/07/2011 23:28

what are your white books like? we are just dipping our toe into the easier white books (usbourne) but they are not very long and are not really chapter books yet. we are working at a different level at home to at school so don't know what they are like.

Bonsoir · 04/07/2011 00:15

My DD reads the easier books in her bookcase to herself and reads harder ones out loud to me. I like to see her read (mostly reread) a lot of books to herself (books she was reading out loud to me about a month ago) with confidence and ease, and to hear her read books that she struggles slightly with out loud. I intend to carry on with this approach for a while.

bumpybecky · 04/07/2011 00:35

in our school white is level 10 and I think some of the books are as long as pages - it's been a while since one of my dc was on this level, I just change the books! normally someone changes books every day, but you only get a new book if the previous one has been signed off. For some (few) children this is every day, others much less often, especially when the books get longer.

By year 3 and the longer books I'd stopped asking dd2 to read out loud as it just slowed her down so much. I would flick through and ask questions when she'd finished though.

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york78 · 04/07/2011 10:13

Her books vary alot. Mostly between 30 and 60 pages. Are starting to look more like chapter books. No very many pictures.

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GoblinMarket · 04/07/2011 10:37

Ds is in reception and I think purple but not sure - ort stage 8. They are looooong! Ds insists on reading the whole thing when it's just too long for one sitting and will sometimes beg for another... The content is definitely an issue I have to explain concepts and language a lot but although this is a pain I assume it's good learning iyswim. Thirty plus pages are a lot for any parent but if they are at this stage they will soon be much more independent so tis swings and roundabouts!

islew80 · 04/07/2011 10:45

I have same problem with my reception aged child. He is on puple too. I let him read until he gets bored. I always listen to him read the whole book though. Just may not change it so often.

GoblinMarket · 04/07/2011 20:51

I was thinking about this thread tonight. DS was fairly hyper all evening then seemed tired but demanded we read. I am too weak willed to say 'no' when he is being so 'driven' and enthusiastic. (tonights experience taught me that i must learn to say no or not moan on here about 34 pages of ORT torture akin to bad experiences involving dentists )

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