Is this true, or a load of ole bulleux

[StarkAndWitchesWillFindYou]

Primary set an IEP and presented it as a fait accompli, even when I made objections.

They then said that they can't do anything about it as it isn't up to them, it is set by the LA and they can't change it.

Please can someone tell me my rights? If only how policy cannot drive provision to meet needs.

I don;t object to an IEP. I object to the crappy one that they have drawn up.

The school draws up IEPs not the LA. Under the Every Child Matters criteria they should be SMART-Specific, Measurable, Achievable, Relevant and Time Limited. Teachersnet have guidance about them.

If you contact your local Parent Partnership they can review it with you and, if necessary, go into the school to discuss whether the IEP is suitable.

Is there any document that shows it is the schools responsibility. I can see them saying that it is a county-wide thing (they already have). I know that the EP, Autism Outreach (both LA) contributed to it. They also say that the format is set (I said they weren't SMART).

This might be helpful. It doesn't state exactly who is responsible but does talk about the team. This is also useful.

If a child has had input from any of the outside agencies, we (as teachers) were told to use the targets set by the outside agency.

However, every school I've ever taught in has had its own format for IEPs.

Thanks Littlefish that is really helpful.

Every school makes its own IEP's from a huge list of targets which are done, usually on a software package called IEP writer. It is very simple to amend one / do a new one / delete one.

LEA's do not make / set targets for IEP's, although I am sure there are LEA set targets for SPLD's which schools should follow.

Agree they can easily change IEP targets, especially if parents don't support the targets given. Usually teachers write the IEP and meet with parents to discuss it, not just present it as finished - if parents are happy they sign it and that's it but if not you need to draw up new targets together.

I don't think IEP Writer are responsible for these targets. I don't know, but I get the impression that the professionals as a group made them up based on what he could already do to demonstrate the effectiveness of their provision but are now passing the back to each other wrt them.

They have said they will change them after half term but so what? when? It took the 5 weeks to come up with this rubbish.

They say they can't ba changed. They say they are set by the statement. They are talking crap.

Actually, going back on what I've already said - if the child has a statement, the targets for this year may have been set by the annual review at the end of last year.

However, if he can already do them (and you're sure, independently and consistently that he can do them) then you need to show them that.

Have you been asked to sign it? You can normally write a comment on it so ask to have your views recorded on it.

It's not so much that he can already do them, it is that they are inappropriate, not measurable, boring, unmotivating, and don't lead to anything as far as I can tell.

They just plucked some out of the air based on their opinion of what they think they might like to teach him, without any consideration of forward planning, the bigger picture, why he needs to learn them or any understanding of where he is in relation to them.

He may or may not meet them. The success criteria is not in any way defined.

Hard to comment without knowing the targets/success criteria. What did they say when you said the targets are not SMART? Have you told the SENCO you think that?

I would never use software such as IEP Writer to create IEPs nor would I directly use targets from other agencies as these are often long term. We no longer use IEPs but I would break external targets into smaller manageable steps.

Yeah. Told the Class teacher, SENCO and HT.

They all say it is out of their hands as it is set by County.

FFS. I KNOW they are lying, but don't know how to prove it.

What are the targets they have set him?

IEPs always sound boring, doesn't mean the teaching and deliverance of these targets is boring though.

Stark why are they all being so unco-operative?

Probably because I took the LA to tribunal, - and lost!

'doesn't mean the teaching and deliverance of these targets is boring though.'

But shouldn't this, the 'how' be specified in the targets?

His target is to say good morning Mrs x every morning when she says good morning to him and good morning Mrs y at register.

Success criteria. he says good morning.

Next is sit next to same child at snack time and when child asks him what fruit he is eating to answer correctly.

Success criteria. He says what fruit he is eating.

Next, - the worst one, play frog hoping turn-takeing game for 10 minutes.

Success criteria, 10 minutes playing frog hopping game.

No indication of HOW, or even, more importantly WHY!?

How old is he?
Has he got a statement ?

He's almost 4. He has a statement.

The targets seem appropriate for his age and are focusing on developing social and language skills I would use them for a very young children with communication disorders

Well, apart from not being SMART (particularly the last one, what it is measuring, turn taking correctly or minutes engaged in a task?), ds says good morning to everyone who says good morning to him anyway if they have his attention and there is no way on earth he will ever respond to a child asking THAT question, unless perhaps his fruit was witheld until he answered.

And, seriously, these targets are supposed to be met by Christmas, 1/3 of a way through his education. I could teach them all to him in 2 minutes at home with friends kids.