Farage receives second £36m donation in two days for Reform

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Farage receives second £36m donation in two days.

Reform’s biggest donor Christopher Harborne matched record donation given on Friday by fellow cryptocurrency billionaire Ben Delo

Manipulate the public how, precisely? Similar to how Labour ‘manipulated’ voters with their fictitious manifesto in 2024, is that what you mean? No tax rises, smash the gangs etc etc.

Can’t you otherwise just accept that people vote for Reform because of their stated policies?

There's a stream of overseas workers- and managers- setting up agencies- without which the whole thing would collapse. The oversight and quality both within groups and from the CQC is very variable and often delayed. I feel for those on the end of it.
One of the effects is an almost complete lack of ownership from the top down. Government ministers are reassured that it's all at a distance. Health responsibilities for ensuring care exists are without effective scrutiny.
So middle managers get to shut things down without building them
So as often is the case there sometimes seems to be a lot of oversight- many people criticising- and identifying 'quality issues' but if a service isn't there it's no one's fault.

This is interesting actually because polling/research shows that the more voters learn about Reform's policies the less keen they are to vote for them. It is accepted that some of Reform's vote is, as for Green and Lib Dems, a 'not main party' vote.

Reform does have a known problem now of not knowing where to place themselves on a number of issues as what plays well in seats traditionally blue does not play so well in seats traditionally red.

Bless your ignorance.

Just a few examples of whole industries and so people losing jobs and money have been hugely affected by fucking Brexit.

Farming for one has been majorly affected with trade barriers, labour shortages and loss of subsidies.

Another is the music industry. It’s now incredibly difficult for musicians to tour in Europe. Even big stars like Elton John have been complaining about it.

Pharmaceuticals is another area where drugs have risen in price and some not now available due to Brexit costs and red tape.

And let’s not even get into the car industry which is about to get worse once the EUs new policy of a certain percentage of any car must have its components manufactured and fitted in the EU.

Interesting how people have problems with other parties like Labour or the Tories manipulating or lying to the public but when it comes to Reform that's all ok!!

Appreciate we're not suppose to call the electorate stupid - but I'm really struggling here!

Do you accept Starmer lied during electioneering? Or Reeves?

Fully funded, fully costed etc.

Well done in your attempts to keep changing the focus - I'm discussing Reforms lies and manipulation which you don't appear to acknowledge. Interesting that! Is that you Nigel!

I’m less interested in whose fault it is and more in what the plan will be to resolve it. Care work is an essential part of ensuring a safe and dignified society, and Burnham has indicated the poor state of it now is why he isn’t ready to support assisted dying. The Review being brought forward and the call for cross party working is a start but currently this is an area where we’re dependent on immigration and people just saying ‘end it’ are usually ignorant of the impact.

Grow up.

😂

That often used comment that always enhances a discussion.

But really, that was a big clanger at the last GE. People seem to back them still if they bought into it.

No idea, what do you think?

https://nursingguild.com/benefits/pay-rates/

Oh dear - clearly not prepared to acknowledge Reforms faults- how disappointing but expect others to acknowledge the faults of the Tories and Labour.. pathetic really.

In my experience voters of many parties are unaware of the policy details. Do you think Reform voters are unusually proactive on that front?

Not enough, hence care work being a shortage occupation. Not sure why you shared the link.

But you did just get through a GE with some big claims.

There are too many people whose jobs are to ' have concerns' and not enough whose accountability works around keeping support in there. Because 'having concerns' is easy. Providing good long term support is difficult and those doing it are generally poorly regarded. I hear what you say around blame, I just feel there is a big gap and it's about governments knowing exactly what needs fixing. Safeguarding disabled children and adults often isn't dramatic. It's about tenacity and resilience.
There is a complication of children's care services falling between government departments because it goes across so many. We need a Disabled Children Czar who can be a point of co ordination it really needs to come from Social work.

You write that as if I am the Labour Government which is quite funny!!

This may be true but it's not unique - you could claim this about most governments since 1945...

What's interesting is the how people seem convinced that dishonest Reform would do any better than the Tories or Labour..

1. Loss of subsidies - got it.

2. No one cares about "musicians" now, the less they tour the better, who wants to stand in a room with a bunch of diddies waving their phones in the air? Just watch them on YouTube, how do you think musicians managed to tour Europe in the 1960"s and 70"s? Ask Elton maybe he knows? How did anyone manage anything before we were in the EU, LOL.

3. Most people don"t need these drugs, the red tape is deliberately there as punishment for Brexit.

4. We need less cars not more, the planet is broken because of cars and planes, so again no one sensible should care.

Bless your absolute gullibility in taking on board so much crap from EU central command! A sensible EU would deal properly with the 5th/6th biggest economy on it"s doorstep, but they can"t bring themselves to do that because they are politically and ideologically motivated towards controlling other nation states!

I think you diminish the electorate.

Many of us were acutely aware of Labour’s manifesto during 2024, which is why Starmer was constantly called out - Sunak had his measure.

What followed was u-turn after u-turn, of course.

As does an emoji - befitting a teenager.

Tbf posters using is that you Nigel / Kemi tend to be Labour.

Not at all, research shows the majority of voters are not hugely influenced by manifestos.

https://unlockdemocracy.org.uk/blog1/manifestos-voting-intention

To return to your point, do you believe Reform voters are better versed than supporters of other parties?

No, I think would-be Reform voters are probably motivated by outrage with this Labour government and it’s policies to date.

Pretty sure people with epilepsy and infections and cystic fibrosis and diabetes do need the drugs.

https://www.bmj.com/content/385/bmj.q911