Welcome back to the grownup world America

[Colate]

Thank goodness we will be back to a normal America now that Trump has gone. What a disaster not only for America, but for the rest of the world.

@Colate

Thank goodness we will be back to a normal America now that Trump has gone. What a disaster not only for America, but for the rest of the world.

because of Trump! -- forgot this bit!

I'm not sure we should laud a politician just for not being a different politician. Biden is in control of both houses so lets give him a year of unfettered power then praise him.

We had this in Scotland - in 2014 Sturgeon took over and we all said thank God Salmond has gone - 6 years later we have a one party dictatorship and a rapidly declining Scotland.

I think you will be disappointed. I’m not sure that very much has been learnt from the last few years. Which means the same mistakes are likely to be repeated but possibly with more extreme options in the future. I hope once the fawning excitement of inauguration dies down, some sensible insights emerge. I’m not optimistic though.

Mine is not a vote of confidence in Biden. I'm sure America will still pursue many of its isolationist and self interested policies and actions. It is just that the worst ever POTAS with the most disgraceful solipsistic and unpleasant character has been got rid of. He has been nothing less than an immense embarrassment to the wealthiest, most powerful and most heavily armed country in the world. What a guy to have in-charge of the big red button, for a start.
The worry of course is that over 70 million people voted for him to be president for a second term. What is to done about that?
Anyway, the old adage might be applicable. "Praise the good and ignore the bad." Well, I said "might".

Don’t think UK is in any position to welcome anyone back to the grown up world, given our leadership puts us firmly in the nursery.

@partyatthepalace

Don’t think UK is in any position to welcome anyone back to the grown up world, given our leadership puts us firmly in the nursery.

Touche! I have to agree!

partyatthepalace I don't agree - imagine we had Corbyn, nobody vaccinated and 12 months of lockdown.

Was that Corbyns plan then?

Fucks sake. Corbyn (who I did not like) has not been near front bench government for well over a year, is no longer Leader of the Opposition and has fuck all to do with what Boris did or didn't do. How long will we keep saying "oh yeah, [minister] is a bit shit but at least they aren't Corbyn!" Grow up! You can't excuse your own failure by saying someone else would have been worse. Childish nonsense.

So OP, I don't think we can comment really, with the state of our own house.

Fwiw I do agree though and hope for better things for the US.

@Colate

Thank goodness we will be back to a normal America now that Trump has gone. What a disaster not only for America, but for the rest of the world.

Thank you so much for your kind post, Colate.

I hope it will be not only a more grown-up America, but a more rational America and a more law-abiding America.

You're right op, Biden won't be perfect but at least the US has a president who doesn't think it's ok to 'cop a free feel'.

I stopped going to the US on holiday when Trump was elected, on principle. It wasn't a decent or safe place to take my family.

Maybe in a year or so - get covid out of the way and let the politics settle down again - we'll be able to go and see friends again.

'Biden is not president'

@Mintjulia

'Biden is not president'

not here in the usa... he's a puppet that won't even make weekly addresses.

On what evidence do you base that Biden is a puppet? In comparison you have evidence past your eyeballs of the lack of presidential material that was Trump.

cdtaylornats

Excellent post.

Britain speaking for the grown up world. My irony meter just exploded.

@FifteenToes

Britain speaking for the grown up world. My irony meter just exploded.

This string is not ironic. It is commenting on Trump. The fact that Bojob is a similar narcissistic self serving incompetent piece of grime is neither here nor there. We can only hope that enough of us see sense at the next election and that the other political parties don't self destruct.

We can only hope that enough of us see sense at the next election and that the other political parties don't self destruct.

Haha. Good luck with that.

@FifteenToes

We can only hope that enough of us see sense at the next election and that the other political parties don't self destruct.

Haha. Good luck with that.

Is the current bunch of toss pots the sort of government you are happy with?

Christ no, but I didn't vote for them in the first place. I campaigned to try and get them out.

The fact that people voted them in, despite 10 years of failed austerity, all the lying and Johnson's obvious cynicism and ineptitude, may just (JUST) be explainable by Brexit. The fact that most of those people are apparently still quite happy with them, happy to forgive them for delivering one of the worst covid outcomes in the world, and happy to vote for them in the Hartlepool election, just makes me think nothing can make any difference.

But my comment was more about the amount of work they've put into gerrymandering future results - the plans for voter ID, boundary changes etc. And associated fasicst tendencies like the brazenness with which they lie and use their power over the media to get away with it, the takeover of the BBC with Tory donors in positions of supposed impartiality etc. They won't be voted out next time because apart from anything else, they will have ensured that they can't be.

Well, we are certainly singing from the same song sheet. What I feel is important, and what we can do, is to take every opportunity to remind people of the behaviour of the Trumps, the Bojobs and the cronies and media who support them and have made them possible over the past half century, and not allow it to become normalised and acceptable.
Rock on!

Definitely