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Why Pagans Don't Proselytise

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SorcererGaheris · 12/08/2026 18:04

It's my perception that some people associate all religions with proselytisation, when it's actually not a component of numerous religions. (Hindus and Buddhists don't knock on people's doors attempting to convert people, for example. The majority of Christian factions don't actually do that, either.)

It should also be noted that simply having a presence in the public eye is not the same thing as proselytising. Publicising something is not the same as trying to force converts.

John Beckett gives what I think is an insightful explanation of just why Pagans don't proselytise. I will copy and paste the entire post in case the link, for some reason, is inaccessible to anyone.

Why Pagans Don’t Proselytize | John Beckett

Sunday’s post Dealing With Door Knockers: A Pagan Guide to Engaging With Proselytizers (Or Not) included one short but very important line that virtually all Pagans agree with, but that we rarely discuss: “Paganism is not a proselytizing religion.” We giggle at the memes asking “have you accepted Pan as your lord and satyr?” but the idea of seriously having that conversation borders on nonsensical. I think it’s worth exploring why that is.

I usually avoid disclaimers, but I’ll add a couple here. Paganism is many religions, not one. My polytheist Paganism is one version, not the only one. If some of these reasons don’t resonate with you, then they don’t – that doesn’t mean I think you’re wrong. If you have other reasons, by all means articulate them in the comments section – more is good.

And with that out of the way, let’s look at why Pagans don’t proselytize.

What is proselytizing, anyway?

The dictionary definition of “proselytize” is rather neutral: “to recruit or convert especially to a new faith, institution, or cause.” But there’s a big difference between simply having a presence in the “marketplace of religions” and the kind of high-pressure, fear and guilt based sales pitches of the conservative versions of Christianity and Islam.

Cable TV companies advertise on broadcast TV, on the internet, and in other places where they can be seen. “This is what we offer, isn’t it great?” If you want cable TV, you can call them up, ask for their prices, and if you like what you hear, sign up for their service. That’s rather different from someone knocking on your door, launching into a sales pitch, and promising you a “special deal” but only if you’ll sign right now.

If you’re interested in a particular religion, you’ll have no trouble finding information about it. That’s one of the reasons I like being a part of Patheos – it puts Pagans on the same platform with everyone else. But researching a new religion at your own pace is one thing: having someone show up at your door telling you to convert to their religion or burn in hell is quite another. Even if they don’t put it that way, it’s clear that’s what they mean.

Proselytizing, then, isn’t just religious recruitment. It’s aggressive religious recruitment that relies heavily on manipulative sales techniques, something Pagans find abhorrent.

Paganism isn’t about believing the “right” things

The idea that religion is all about believing the “right” things so you can end up in the good afterlife and not the bad afterlife is a very recent, very Western idea. For most people in most places throughout most of history, religion was and is about what you do, who you are, and whose you are.

There is no “right” religion – there are only different religions.
Which is not to say that all religions are the same, or that they’re all equally right. Clearly that’s not the case – there’s not much that’s right about the religion of the Westboro Baptist Church.

But how can we make an objective case that Evangelical Christianity is better than Zen Buddhism, or that Sunni Islam is better than Gardnerian Wicca? That’s not comparing apples to oranges, it’s comparing apples to okra – they’re both foods from plants, but that’s where the similarities end. Some people are a better fit with one, some with another… and some with none.

Religious coercion is unethical

Most religions at least pay lip service to the idea of religious freedom. The Quran says “No compulsion is there in religion” (Surah 2:256). The mythology of the United States begins with the Pilgrims coming to America so they could worship according to the dictates of their consciences.

But the context of “no compulsion” in the Quran makes it clear that everyone should be a Muslim. And the Pilgrims fled religious persecution only to outlaw all religions except their own form of Christianity.

Telling someone they should change their religion is like telling them they should change their family, their nation, or their language. It’s part of who and what they are – we have no right to impose our ways on others. If they freely choose to change, that’s their right. But such a choice must be truly free, not made at the point of a gun – either literally or metaphorically.

Religion is inherently uncertain

Religion is humanity’s attempt to deal with the big questions of life: where do we come from? Why are we here? What happens after death? How should we live?
Notice I said “deal with” and not “answer.” For all our experiences of death, our thoughts about death, and our conversations with the dead, ultimately we don’t know what happens after death. Different religions and cultures have different ideas. I have my own ideas. But we have no way of knowing.

Our virtues and values tell us what is good in life, based on generations of experience and collective wisdom. But many times we find ourselves forced to choose between competing virtues, with no clear answer. Our desire to make things simple, to make them black and white, has resulted in a flood of laws, rule, and cultural norms that are helpful to some but harmful to others – and that are easily exploited by those seeking power for themselves.

Religious questions have no certain answers and they never will. Pagans understand this – proselytizing religions don’t.

Many Gods, many ways

The reasons described above could apply to almost any religion, at least those who aren’t sure they have sole possession of the One True Way. But Pagans – especially those of us who are polytheists – have other reasons as well.

If there was only one God, perhaps it could be argued that everyone should understand and worship that God in the same way. But for those of us who acknowledge the reality of the Many Gods, such an idea is unthinkable.

Different Gods call different people to worship and work with Them in different ways. I worship Cernunnos and I worship the Morrigan. They share many of the same values, but ultimately They are different deities with different priorities. I have an occasional but long relationship with some of the Gods of Egypt. They are very different from Cernunnos and the Morrigan. They want different things from me and They teach me different things in return.

The people of ancient Egypt and the people of the ancient Celtic lands did not relate to their Gods in the same way. Modern Pagans do the same.
Many Gods, many ways.

Publicize, don’t proselytize

At some point, the ethical concerns around proselytizing give way to demographic concerns. Put simply, conversions are the lifeblood of any religion, at least in the contemporary West. Population growth is slowing (which is a good and necessary thing) – any religion that counts on childbirth for its survival is doomed.

Conversion is a fact of religious life. Some of our Pagan ancestors were forcibly converted to Christianity, but for many, a few here and a few there converted voluntarily, and after a while there were no Pagans left. As historian Ronald Hutton said “the more aggressive, determined and monopolistic religion had the edge over its rivals, simply because it cared more about winning.”

If we do not participate in the marketplace of religions, we will never reach a critical mass – the numbers required to insure continued existence.

And that urgency is still no ethical justification for proselytizing.

So we publicize. We write books and blogs. We record music and make videos. We hold public rituals and we talk to anyone and everyone who asks questions. We let people know “here we are – you’re welcome if you want to join us.”

[Yes, some Pagan traditions are still secretive, and I’m not saying we should change that. Not everything is for public consumption. But some things are.]

But we leave the aggressive, invasive, fear-and-guilt based, religious salemanship to others. It’s simply not a part of Paganism.

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LeahLine · 12/08/2026 18:24

Cable TV companies advertise on broadcast TV, on the internet, and in other places where they can be seen. “This is what we offer, isn’t it great?” If you want cable TV, you can call them up, ask for their prices, and if you like what you hear, sign up for their service. That’s rather different from someone knocking on your door, launching into a sales pitch, and promising you a “special deal” but only if you’ll sign right now.

I'm always getting people knocking on my door trying to flog me TV packages. What a strange choice of analogy.

I don't actually mind proselytising. I'm an agnostic who is open to find a religious or spiritual faith but has never seen anything to convince me. I always listen to what proselytisers have to say because it's interesting, I always take religious tracts when offered them.

If pagans want to proselytise I'd be very open to listening, but I respect your reasons for not doing.

(edited for typo)

ginasevern · 12/08/2026 18:32

Pagans are not beholden to save anyone's soul I presume, which is the driving force behind proselytising religions.

DorsetMermaid · 12/08/2026 18:53

Could it be because they care about nature and the earth's resources, aren't materialistic and so are not trying to make money out of anyone?

LeahLine · 12/08/2026 19:25

DorsetMermaid · 12/08/2026 18:53

Could it be because they care about nature and the earth's resources, aren't materialistic and so are not trying to make money out of anyone?

I don't think all proselytisers are out to make money. Many of those I talk to on the street are just promoting what you might call 'normal' churches; they probably have a collection plate or whatever but they aren't the type of religions that demand tithing or enormous donations.

DorsetMermaid · 12/08/2026 20:52

LeahLine · 12/08/2026 19:25

I don't think all proselytisers are out to make money. Many of those I talk to on the street are just promoting what you might call 'normal' churches; they probably have a collection plate or whatever but they aren't the type of religions that demand tithing or enormous donations.

I'd be interested to hear which 'normal churches' you mean.

The proselytisers I'm most likely to meet are Mormans or Jehovah's Witnesses. Both of those organisations are hugely wealthy. Mormans use tithing and reports show JWs feel enormous pressure to contribute to the church financially.

Numbers in the church = numbers in the bank.

clearlyy · 12/08/2026 20:58

I’m pagan, I just tell people about how cool nature is and they usually agree. I aren’t gonna go into the gods or anything. Mum thinks my runes are cool. I’m not interested in trying to convert anyone because religion should be a choice not something you’re forced into.

LeahLine · 12/08/2026 21:52

DorsetMermaid · 12/08/2026 20:52

I'd be interested to hear which 'normal churches' you mean.

The proselytisers I'm most likely to meet are Mormans or Jehovah's Witnesses. Both of those organisations are hugely wealthy. Mormans use tithing and reports show JWs feel enormous pressure to contribute to the church financially.

Numbers in the church = numbers in the bank.

Just local churches, low church mainly. I'm more interested in high Anglicanism so I haven't been to them.

SorcererGaheris · 12/08/2026 22:50

LeahLine · 12/08/2026 18:24

Cable TV companies advertise on broadcast TV, on the internet, and in other places where they can be seen. “This is what we offer, isn’t it great?” If you want cable TV, you can call them up, ask for their prices, and if you like what you hear, sign up for their service. That’s rather different from someone knocking on your door, launching into a sales pitch, and promising you a “special deal” but only if you’ll sign right now.

I'm always getting people knocking on my door trying to flog me TV packages. What a strange choice of analogy.

I don't actually mind proselytising. I'm an agnostic who is open to find a religious or spiritual faith but has never seen anything to convince me. I always listen to what proselytisers have to say because it's interesting, I always take religious tracts when offered them.

If pagans want to proselytise I'd be very open to listening, but I respect your reasons for not doing.

(edited for typo)

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@LeahLine

The man who wrote the post lives in the USA - I'm not sure it's a common practice (or even if it's done at all) for TV companies to go door-to-door there.

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SorcererGaheris · 12/08/2026 22:51

ginasevern · 12/08/2026 18:32

Pagans are not beholden to save anyone's soul I presume, which is the driving force behind proselytising religions.

@ginasevern

Yes, pagans don't believe anyone's soul needs saving.

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SorcererGaheris · 13/08/2026 14:58

DorsetMermaid · 12/08/2026 18:53

Could it be because they care about nature and the earth's resources, aren't materialistic and so are not trying to make money out of anyone?

@DorsetMermaid

I think the roots of proselytisation lie more in the desire to convert people to what is seen as the "correct" way of thinking. I'm not saying that churches don't gain, money-wise, from more members, and perhaps for some of the leadership this might be an added factor, but I think that for most of the people doing the proselytising "on the ground", it's a matter of what think is correct ideology rather than money.

Pagans are as happy as anyone else to earn money for their work. (And there's nothing wrong with that.) Some pagans work full time as Tarot readers, astrologers or work at witchcraft/sorcery full-time. As a pagan and occultist, I myself aspire to earn money from occult work. So some pagans earn their money through occult/spiritual labour.

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DorsetMermaid · 13/08/2026 15:24

SorcererGaheris · 13/08/2026 14:58

@DorsetMermaid

I think the roots of proselytisation lie more in the desire to convert people to what is seen as the "correct" way of thinking. I'm not saying that churches don't gain, money-wise, from more members, and perhaps for some of the leadership this might be an added factor, but I think that for most of the people doing the proselytising "on the ground", it's a matter of what think is correct ideology rather than money.

Pagans are as happy as anyone else to earn money for their work. (And there's nothing wrong with that.) Some pagans work full time as Tarot readers, astrologers or work at witchcraft/sorcery full-time. As a pagan and occultist, I myself aspire to earn money from occult work. So some pagans earn their money through occult/spiritual labour.

Converting people generally makes money though.

Making money from work is not the same as making money from swelling coffers by converting people to a faith.

Belief in the occult/tarot/astrology/witchcraft or sourcery are not a central element of being a pagan. Indeed, many pagans have no truck with these things and many non pagans lap it up. So your making money from the occult is just making money. It's not to do with paganism any more than my way of making money by gardening is.

Where I live in the UK I still maintain that the only people I see "proselytising "on the ground" are JW and Mormon and they do that because it's required of them (by their very rich organisations) not because of their ideology .

SorcererGaheris · 13/08/2026 15:57

DorsetMermaid · 13/08/2026 15:24

Converting people generally makes money though.

Making money from work is not the same as making money from swelling coffers by converting people to a faith.

Belief in the occult/tarot/astrology/witchcraft or sourcery are not a central element of being a pagan. Indeed, many pagans have no truck with these things and many non pagans lap it up. So your making money from the occult is just making money. It's not to do with paganism any more than my way of making money by gardening is.

Where I live in the UK I still maintain that the only people I see "proselytising "on the ground" are JW and Mormon and they do that because it's required of them (by their very rich organisations) not because of their ideology .

Belief in the occult/tarot/astrology/witchcraft or sourcery are not a central element of being a pagan.

That's correct, and it's also true that not-pagans also engage in and practice occultism/mediumship/witchcraft/astrology, etc.

However, there is a significant level of crossover between paganism and the aforementioned things. While there are numerous pagans who are indeed not interested in those things, my experience leads me to believe that a majority of pagans do take an interest and engage with them to some degree. In the pagan communities of which I'm a part, there is plenty of discussion of magic/witchcraft, mediumship, Tarot and astrology.

The Pagan Pride event that used to be held in Nottingham had psychics, mediums and Tarot readers, as well as witchcraft supplies on sale.

So while you are correct that those things alone do not innately equate to paganism/being a pagan, there is a lot over overlap and a lot of pagans (but by no means all) do incorporate them into their paganism.

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DorsetMermaid · 13/08/2026 16:18

But peddling astrology or some such is peddling astrology - not paganism.
It's making money from astrology not encouraging people to be pagan.
I'm just guessing that any money you make from the occult stays in your pocket and isn't handed over to the pagan federation.

Peddling JW or Morman stuff is peddling that faith and just that faith in order to attract believers. Believers who will bring money through obligation whether formal or informal.

It's sold to their believers as saving souls.
It's part of control. It's a money making scheme.

Having lived in a large city for the greater part of my life the only other people who 'proselytise' are those guys with big sound systems and why they do that is a mystery to me.

SorcererGaheris · 13/08/2026 16:23

DorsetMermaid · 13/08/2026 16:18

But peddling astrology or some such is peddling astrology - not paganism.
It's making money from astrology not encouraging people to be pagan.
I'm just guessing that any money you make from the occult stays in your pocket and isn't handed over to the pagan federation.

Peddling JW or Morman stuff is peddling that faith and just that faith in order to attract believers. Believers who will bring money through obligation whether formal or informal.

It's sold to their believers as saving souls.
It's part of control. It's a money making scheme.

Having lived in a large city for the greater part of my life the only other people who 'proselytise' are those guys with big sound systems and why they do that is a mystery to me.

@DorsetMermaid

But peddling astrology or some such is peddling astrology - not paganism.
It's making money from astrology not encouraging people to be pagan.

That's correct. I never said it was.

I'm just guessing that any money you make from the occult stays in your pocket and isn't handed over to the pagan federation.

It does. My point was that individual pagans are as happy to earn money from other people as much as anyone else whose work provides some sort of service or skill to another person. Pagans who earn money from working as astrologers, tarot readers or witches are earning money from their clientele the same way as plumbers earn from their clientele. It's labour for which the clients are being charged.

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LeahLine · 13/08/2026 18:10

DorsetMermaid · 13/08/2026 15:24

Converting people generally makes money though.

Making money from work is not the same as making money from swelling coffers by converting people to a faith.

Belief in the occult/tarot/astrology/witchcraft or sourcery are not a central element of being a pagan. Indeed, many pagans have no truck with these things and many non pagans lap it up. So your making money from the occult is just making money. It's not to do with paganism any more than my way of making money by gardening is.

Where I live in the UK I still maintain that the only people I see "proselytising "on the ground" are JW and Mormon and they do that because it's required of them (by their very rich organisations) not because of their ideology .

I don't know about Mormons but I'd dispute that Jehovah's Witnesses don't have proselytising as part of their ideology - that is the 'witnessing' part of their name, it means sharing their beliefs with others and the door-to-door activity they do is referred to as 'witnessing' within their faith.

Their own website says: Jehovah’s Witnesses are not expected to tithe or to donate any specific amount or percentage of their income. (2 Corinthians 9:7) We never take collections or charge admission at our meetings, nor do our ministers charge fees for baptisms, funerals, weddings, or other religious services. We do not raise money through bake sales, bazaars, bingo games, carnivals, dinners, raffles, or similar events, nor do we solicit donations.

Don't misunderstand me, there is plenty to take issue with in the JW faith, in fact I wouldn't know where to begin with my list of criticisms, but I don't think that one is particularly applicable.

celandiney · 13/08/2026 18:17

Different churches put different emphasis and interpretation on it, but it’s a command from the Bible - Acts I think though it’s a long time since I thought about it - “ Go out into the whole world and preach the Gospel”.
And, from a Christian point of view the gospels,Jesus, is good news and to be talked about, and when I was a Christian young person that was where encouragement to go and knock on doors came from.( my home church was C of E and didn’t do that, this was the Christian Union was I was at Uni .I did not go out and knock on doors!)

Digerydont · 13/08/2026 22:00

Can anyone name a Muslim country where it would be safe to be an out pagan?

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