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Polytheism not fitting into the binary positions some many atheists and monotheists hold in debates

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SorcererGaheris · 25/06/2026 16:05

I read this post by polytheist G B Marian and found it very thought-provoking. Discussions/debates on theism vs atheism almost always centre upon atheism and monotheism, with polytheism often excluded.

GBM:

I've been seeing lots of posts about "theism versus atheism" lately, and they all seem rather disingenuous. The discussions in these posts are always framed as conflicts between monotheism and atheism, without fail. No other kind of theism seems to be included or accounted for, except for random occasional commenters like myself.

The monotheists in these discussions always claim that "morality is impossible without God." Meanwhile, the atheists conclude that "all religion is crap" because people don't actually need religion to be good. Neither side makes any leeway with the other, and that's not really the point anyway. These conversations tend to function more as "echo chambers" (and for both sides).

For polytheists like myself, who acknowledge and believe in many different Gods, neither side of this argument really seems to understand the actual purpose of "religion" (as we understand it at least). For us, religion and morality are two completely separate categories. "Religion" is what you do to build a relationship with one or more Gods, spirits, etc., while "morality" is how you treat other living people and creatures.

In polytheism, being a good person is just a social and natural duty. You don't have to worship any particular deity to be good. Atheists are not "sinners," and their disbelief is not a "moral failing." They're just people who don't engage with any Higher Powers, that's all. They are not predestined for hell; in fact, they are entitled to a happy afterlife just as much as anyone else, so long as they are good people at least.

Polytheists do not worship our Gods because They will "send us to hell" if we don't. Nor do we worship Them because we think it is "necessary" for us to be good people. We worship our Gods because we love Them and enjoy Their company; that's literally all there is to it. If you do not already love a God or enjoy Their company, then there is no reason for you to worship Them, and you are not expected to. End of story.

Yes, there are certain ways in which religion and morality can intersect for polytheists. Our Gods are more likely to listen to us when we are good people and we treat others with dignity. But this is very different from thinking you absolutely HAVE to believe in order to be considered "good" in the first place.
If your religious life is likewise centered around relationships, reciprocity, ritual, devotion, and presence with multiple Powers, then the standard “morality needs God" vs. "religion is unnecessary” dichotomy does not apply. When a monotheist says “morality requires God,” a polytheist can fairly respond: “That may be YOUR theology; but it isn’t the only way religion relates to ethics.”

At the same time, polytheistic religion—especially where devotion is elective, plural, and relational—does not fit neatly into the “religion = authoritarian moral policing” template that most atheists are typically reacting to. We are here to demonstrate that religion can (and, indeed, SHOULD) be about practice and relationship WITHOUT hinging on “believe this or be damned.”

Remember these things the next time you're invited to a group that presents itself as being some kind of "showdown" between "theists" (read: monotheists) and atheists.

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Justmerach · 05/07/2026 20:55

RedTagAlan · 30/06/2026 03:46

The Bible. That was all I needed.

I saw the light you see. I had my moment where I felt Jesus enter the depths of my soul, and for an instant I totally understood what he was saying to me. And that stayed with me for over 20 years.

I tried Churches after that, but nothing could match what I felt. And also, what the Pastors were saying did not align with the understanding that Jesus had given me. These folk were going on about the Holy spirit and all that, but I had felt Jesus touch me. Nothing could match that.

Was I a Christian ?

When you are given the Holy Spirit I think that you are blessed with God's spirit. Jesus can send instructions to the Holy Spirit to send to your spirit to do the work of God. It was likely your spirit speaking to you words from the Holy Spirit which was approved by Jesus. The spirit does work like this. Jesus I think doesn't often interact with people directly when he has messengers and the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1: 17

“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Gather of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him”

John 16

“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth (the Holy Spirit), is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you”

RedTagAlan · 06/07/2026 12:22

Justmerach · 05/07/2026 20:55

When you are given the Holy Spirit I think that you are blessed with God's spirit. Jesus can send instructions to the Holy Spirit to send to your spirit to do the work of God. It was likely your spirit speaking to you words from the Holy Spirit which was approved by Jesus. The spirit does work like this. Jesus I think doesn't often interact with people directly when he has messengers and the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1: 17

“That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Gather of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him”

John 16

“Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth (the Holy Spirit), is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you”

I was not given anything. I was deluded. And I allowed myself to be brainwashed.

It's really only once you get out that you realise how insidious the whole thing is. Religious holidays, songs of praise on telly as a kid, it's all about implanting it into you. It really does not take much of a crisis to push one over the edge into the abyss of becoming an evangelical.

For sure the Pastors and the Priests and the Ministers believe it all. A good number of them anyway.

Parker231 · 07/07/2026 13:21

I wonder how many other people were once believers, perhaps because they were brought up to be but now aren’t?
I can understand why some people would believe in previous generations when we didn’t have the knowledge, understanding and evidence to prove that much of religious text aren’t true or even possible.

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