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If someone claimed to be the Son of God today…

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Nutcracks · 13/12/2024 22:46

If someone claimed today all the things that Jesus did/said, would you believe them?

Curious about how people would respond in today’s world.

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Travelodge · 14/12/2024 13:40

No. I don’t believe Jesus did them all either.

AgileGreenSeal · 14/12/2024 13:42

WetBandits · 14/12/2024 13:04

Most people who claim to have been spoken to by somebody who isn’t there have some kind of underlying health issue.

agreed.
However God is there.

Jibberjabba · 14/12/2024 13:43

Would be recommended to seek professional help

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 13:47

WetBandits · 14/12/2024 13:04

Most people who claim to have been spoken to by somebody who isn’t there have some kind of underlying health issue.

I assume you would include Mohammed in this and all of the prophets of the Jewish Torah? Therefore their followers are wrong?

Well there seems to be a huge amount of ignorant people in the world. It's a wonder we can function at all.

Bbq1 · 14/12/2024 13:47

DanceTheDevilBackIntoHisHole · 14/12/2024 09:42

Did you see that mini series The Second Coming when it was on in 2003?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_(TV_serial)

It was brilliant and starred Christopher Eccleston. No idea if it's still available anywhere and it will have dates due to lack of social media back then but it was gripping and really well done.

I saw that. It was really powerful and thought provoking

Reallybadidea · 14/12/2024 13:49

AgileGreenSeal · 14/12/2024 13:39

I came to know Him personally before I read the Bible. His Spirit consistently bears witness with my spirit that I am His and that what I read in scripture is reliable.

What does this actually mean though specifically? How do you know him personally? How do you know that what God is saying to you isn't just your own imagination or interpretation of what you read in the Bible? I particularly don't really understand what your second sentence means in practical terms. I don't want to be rude, but it sounds like a sort of regurgitation of what you might hear Christian preachers say but what do you actually mean by it in simple terms?

Oddsquadnumber1 · 14/12/2024 13:49

There are lots of people claiming to be the son of god. Most of them are sectioned and diagnosed with mental illness

FizzyBisto · 14/12/2024 14:00

The Jews of 2,000 or so years ago would have been well aware of the clear prophecy in Daniel 9, which gave a very specific (albeit a very long) timeline in advance.

As the prophesied year approached, people alive then would have been getting more and more excited. Then, at the expected time, a man turned up, told them that He was the Son of God and started teaching authoritatively about God and performing miracles, as well as fulfilling other parts of that and other prophecies, often in extremely precise and otherwise unusual ways.

To put it crudely, if you saw an old man wandering down your local high street who looked very like King Charles, you probably wouldn't pay him any attention other than smiling at the likeness; but if you'd been informed by various news outlets that KC was attending some grand occasion at X venue - and then you saw somebody who looked very like him arriving at the door of that venue, at the time when you'd been told he would arrive, getting out of a big limousine, with a red carpet being unrolled and surrounded by official-looking staff and press photographers, would anybody at all think you were mad for insisting "Look - it's him!!" ?

Combustivechicken · 14/12/2024 14:06

There’s a guy in Manchester who says he is god in human form. There was a documentary on iPlayer about him and his followers, who totally agree that he is. He just seemed mentally unwell to me.

Fannyfiggs · 14/12/2024 14:10

AgileGreenSeal · 14/12/2024 13:37

How so?
Everyone will see Him return. Their own eyes will provide the evidence.

It will be so evident to all what is happening, people will be terrified, hide and mourn.

Why will people be terrified?

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 14:11

FizzyBisto · 14/12/2024 14:00

The Jews of 2,000 or so years ago would have been well aware of the clear prophecy in Daniel 9, which gave a very specific (albeit a very long) timeline in advance.

As the prophesied year approached, people alive then would have been getting more and more excited. Then, at the expected time, a man turned up, told them that He was the Son of God and started teaching authoritatively about God and performing miracles, as well as fulfilling other parts of that and other prophecies, often in extremely precise and otherwise unusual ways.

To put it crudely, if you saw an old man wandering down your local high street who looked very like King Charles, you probably wouldn't pay him any attention other than smiling at the likeness; but if you'd been informed by various news outlets that KC was attending some grand occasion at X venue - and then you saw somebody who looked very like him arriving at the door of that venue, at the time when you'd been told he would arrive, getting out of a big limousine, with a red carpet being unrolled and surrounded by official-looking staff and press photographers, would anybody at all think you were mad for insisting "Look - it's him!!" ?

Yes this is why most the Jews at the time didn't believe Jesus and why his followers got a rough time from them, as well as the Romans. I think the Romans persecuted the Christians for 300 to 400 years? You'd think they would have given up on their belief after that though strangly their persecutors converted to the very religion they had been persecuting for centuries. Probably population dynamics and ignorance.

DianaRiggsCatsuit · 14/12/2024 14:14

I don't believe in God so I would just think LOL.

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 14:17

Nutcracks · 13/12/2024 22:46

If someone claimed today all the things that Jesus did/said, would you believe them?

Curious about how people would respond in today’s world.

Don't think i would but i would be interested in his "word". But i do think, if he was quite convincing, a helluva lot of people would be drawn because of the shit way the world is right now. In other words, in today's climate we are ripe and ready for this.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 14:17

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 14:11

Yes this is why most the Jews at the time didn't believe Jesus and why his followers got a rough time from them, as well as the Romans. I think the Romans persecuted the Christians for 300 to 400 years? You'd think they would have given up on their belief after that though strangly their persecutors converted to the very religion they had been persecuting for centuries. Probably population dynamics and ignorance.

The Romans ended up laying siege to Jerusalem and totally destroying the Temple in A.D. 70. The entire city was converted into ruins. This was prophesied by Jeremiah and also Jesus long before it happened. All recorded by the historian Josephus.

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 14:21

AgileGreenSeal · 14/12/2024 13:37

How so?
Everyone will see Him return. Their own eyes will provide the evidence.

It will be so evident to all what is happening, people will be terrified, hide and mourn.

Why will people be terrified, hide and mourn? What heavenly “father” would want to make his “children” feel like that, react like that? If an earthly father did that to his own children, social services would be called, for sure.

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 14:24

Yeh, why would they hide and mourn, surely they would be joyful? Or do you mean the unbelievers would hide, etc?

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 14:28

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 14:21

Why will people be terrified, hide and mourn? What heavenly “father” would want to make his “children” feel like that, react like that? If an earthly father did that to his own children, social services would be called, for sure.

I think a bit of context is needed here (and I'm not sure all Christians agree with this, or on the timings, guess I'll find out!) but at the time of the return of Christ the Earth will be under the Rule of the Antichrist. He will be the ruler of the One World Government, and will be, by this time, persecuting any Christians and also will have set himself up in the new Temple in Jerusalem (which will be rebuilt at some point). The world will be going through what is called 'The Great Tribulation' and it will be marked by the worst evil that has ever happened, plus a lot of other things probably too much to go into at this point.

God choses to send his Son, Jesus, to fight and eliminate Satan, The AntiChrist and his Prophet in a battle called Armageddon. The arrival of Christ is as a judge of humanity. Some (like myself) believe that true believers will have been taken up to heaven before the Tribulation happens, so they won't be there to experience the horror of what happens, because God doesn't want to subject us to that. Others disagree about this, or about at what point that happens. Anyway, Jesus will come to judge evil and eliminate it forever. Some will be afraid for obvious reasons, they are evil and are on the side of the antiChrist. Others will mourn because they did not choose Jesus and now will be punished.

AgileGreenSeal · 14/12/2024 14:32

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 14:21

Why will people be terrified, hide and mourn? What heavenly “father” would want to make his “children” feel like that, react like that? If an earthly father did that to his own children, social services would be called, for sure.

His children will, by that time, be with Him accompanying Him for the last part of His return.
The terrified ones will be those who aren’t His children- the ones who rejected Him, choosing instead to live in rebellion to Him and realise that they are going to be held accountable.

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 14:34

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 13:13

The majority may have yes, of course followers baptise their babies into the faith. Many people question and fall away. Yet more follow blindly, according to you, but not all are as dumb as you seem to think. A lot of people get a lot out of their faith. Somelike myself who spent years as an atheist and a great number of other adults convert(China). There are also and have always been people choose to keep the faith under the most difficult of circumstances.

https://www.albawaba.com/news/iran%E2%80%99s-christian-converts-struggle-under-surveillance-state-1218354

It suggests to me there is something more at play than population dynamics, indoctrination and ignorance. That's too simplistic.

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Is this some kind of weird projection?. I categorically did not use the term dumb, when you said “not all are as dumb as you seem to think.” And I didn’t call anyone ignorant, for what ever belief they may hold. Believe what you want, but stop putting words into people’s mouths.

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 14:35

AgileGreenSeal · 14/12/2024 13:42

agreed.
However God is there.

Where?

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 14:35

AgileGreenSeal · 14/12/2024 14:32

His children will, by that time, be with Him accompanying Him for the last part of His return.
The terrified ones will be those who aren’t His children- the ones who rejected Him, choosing instead to live in rebellion to Him and realise that they are going to be held accountable.

So, God will strike out those who don't believe in him?

SwedishEdith · 14/12/2024 14:36

What's the 'fall away from their birth faith' rate for Muslims? I assume most people stick with what they were brought up with because of closer family groups and a wider religious community. It's simply easier to not rock the boat than say you think it's a load of bollocks. But in countries/regions were people live alone more or move away from their family (like a lot of northern Europe), I imagine it's those people where faith drops off. So other communities converting to Christianity doesn't really surprise me if it's happening within a closely interconnected group. In China, especially, it's a rejection of the state imposed atheism as well.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 14:37

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 14:35

So, God will strike out those who don't believe in him?

Those who haven't accepted his Son Jesus as their saviour. Anyone can believe in God - even Satan does!

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 14:39

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 14:37

Those who haven't accepted his Son Jesus as their saviour. Anyone can believe in God - even Satan does!

Not sure what you're saying here, it's opaque.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 14:40

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 14:39

Not sure what you're saying here, it's opaque.

Those who have accepted Jesus as their Saviour will be saved. Those who have not, will not. Believing that God exists isn't enough to save someone, that's the bottom line.