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If someone claimed to be the Son of God today…

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Nutcracks · 13/12/2024 22:46

If someone claimed today all the things that Jesus did/said, would you believe them?

Curious about how people would respond in today’s world.

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AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 15:15

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 14/12/2024 15:13

'Eternal death'? So, just death? Like what most people already think happens when you die? Or do you believe in the seemingly rather old-fashioned idea hellfire and damnation (which a lot of Christians seem to have conveniently edged away from)?

More like 'thrown into the lake of fire' and 'eternal separation from God' type of death. I think a lot worse than just the nothingness some folks think happens when you die. Oh I think hellfire and damnation is all too real.

Manypaws · 14/12/2024 15:16

They would probably get their own reality show

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 15:17

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 15:04

So, if none of us have lived "sinlessly" (not a word) then no one is going to heaven?

Sounds like it’s all bit of lottery, with lots of people hoping they have the right numbers.

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 15:18

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 15:15

More like 'thrown into the lake of fire' and 'eternal separation from God' type of death. I think a lot worse than just the nothingness some folks think happens when you die. Oh I think hellfire and damnation is all too real.

Really? What bible were you reading? Was it about Jesus?

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 15:18

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 15:17

Sounds like it’s all bit of lottery, with lots of people hoping they have the right numbers.

That reminds me of the short horror story The Lottery.

Compash · 14/12/2024 15:22

That is an excellent story, to be fair...

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 15:22

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 15:09

I'm curious SleepyHippy, why have millions of people over thousands of years just gone along with their faith without thinking, according to you?

Are they incapable of thinking, too lazy to think, afraid to think? Were the vast majority of people one or several of these things or something else. I'm genuinely curious.

“Are they incapable of thinking, too lazy to think, afraid to think? Were the vast majority of people one or several of these things or something else. I'm genuinely curious”.

You doing it again, with putting those words into people’s mouths, attributing notions that they did not utter or even suggest.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 15:22

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 15:18

Really? What bible were you reading? Was it about Jesus?

The usual Bible! I prefer the ESV but also like the NKJV.

See Revelation 19:20, Rev 20:10, Rev 20:14, Rev 20:15, Rev 21:8.

Also refered to by Jesus in Matthew 13:42, Matt 18:8, Matt 25:41, Mark 9:47-48

There's more but that gives you the gist of it.

Another2Cats · 14/12/2024 15:25

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 13:00

Yes He did claim to be the Son of God.

ESV, Mark 14:60-62 "And the high priest stood up in the midst and asked Jesus, “Have you no answer to make? What is it that these men testify against you?” But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.”

The problem I have with these verses is that, according to the Gospels, the only people who were there were the Sanhedrin and Jesus. Jesus was executed the next day and the Jewish leaders presumably weren't available for interviews later by his followers who wanted to know what had happened.

There is no way that we can know what actually happened at this hearing.

The actual claim of blasphemy is also confusing. From a Jewish point of view at that time, claiming to be a (the) Messiah was not a blasphemy - there were plenty of others claiming to be the same thing.

DemBonesDemBones · 14/12/2024 15:28

Russell Brand is gearing up to claim it any day, I'm sure of it. Bloody awful grifter.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 15:31

Another2Cats · 14/12/2024 15:25

The problem I have with these verses is that, according to the Gospels, the only people who were there were the Sanhedrin and Jesus. Jesus was executed the next day and the Jewish leaders presumably weren't available for interviews later by his followers who wanted to know what had happened.

There is no way that we can know what actually happened at this hearing.

The actual claim of blasphemy is also confusing. From a Jewish point of view at that time, claiming to be a (the) Messiah was not a blasphemy - there were plenty of others claiming to be the same thing.

Google AI saved me a bit of time! There are other occasions in the gospels.

John 10:30: "I and the Father are one"
John 8:58: "Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!"
John 1:1: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"
Matthew 25:31-46: Claims the authority to judge the nations
John 5:25-29: Claims the authority to raise people from the dead
Mark 2:5-7: Claims the authority to forgive sins
John 14:13-14: Claims the power to answer prayers
Matthew 28:20: Claims to be with His followers always
John 16:15: Says, “All that belongs to the Father is mine”
John 4:25–26: Declares, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he”

niadainud · 14/12/2024 15:38

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 14/12/2024 02:10

No. The Bible has made it clear that when He returns it will not be as gentle Jesus, meek and mild - an otherwise non descript baby, boy, man seen only by a few and for His arrival to be spread by gossip or mutterings on social media. This time around EVERY eye shall see Him. He will fulfill the role of Israel’s Deliverer and King, and the whole world will mourn for not recognising Him and His sacrifice the first time around. See Rev 19 There will be no room for doubt that He is here. Praise God!

Sorry, which book of the bible mentions social media? 🤔

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 15:46

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 15:22

The usual Bible! I prefer the ESV but also like the NKJV.

See Revelation 19:20, Rev 20:10, Rev 20:14, Rev 20:15, Rev 21:8.

Also refered to by Jesus in Matthew 13:42, Matt 18:8, Matt 25:41, Mark 9:47-48

There's more but that gives you the gist of it.

So, why did people need to spread Gods word if he was knew everywhere?

missdeamenor · 14/12/2024 15:55

I worked as a psychiatric nurse and have met the son of God quite a few times, so would assume they were schizophrenic. I long to see a real alien though.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 15:55

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 15:46

So, why did people need to spread Gods word if he was knew everywhere?

If God was known everywhere? He wasn't though. Jesus was born into the Jewish community, so the word had to spread from there. Other peoples worshipped all sorts of pagan gods back then. They didn't know the God of Israel (who is also now the Christian God). Not only that, the Jews didn't recognise Jesus for who He was - the Messiah. The Good News had to be spread by word of mouth to other people and countries, which is what has happened over time.

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 15:59

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 15:55

If God was known everywhere? He wasn't though. Jesus was born into the Jewish community, so the word had to spread from there. Other peoples worshipped all sorts of pagan gods back then. They didn't know the God of Israel (who is also now the Christian God). Not only that, the Jews didn't recognise Jesus for who He was - the Messiah. The Good News had to be spread by word of mouth to other people and countries, which is what has happened over time.

Ah but God knew

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 15:59

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 15:59

Ah but God knew

Sorry I'm not following? God knew what?

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 16:00

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 15:22

“Are they incapable of thinking, too lazy to think, afraid to think? Were the vast majority of people one or several of these things or something else. I'm genuinely curious”.

You doing it again, with putting those words into people’s mouths, attributing notions that they did not utter or even suggest.

You said" this way, faith in a said religion, is not an informed choice, you just find your self in it, and because it’s never usually questioned, you believe what whatever others tell you is the truth, and most people just accept that, without really thinking about it "

Ok tell me what you meant please, especially"most people accept that, without really thinking about it"

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 16:12

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 15:59

Sorry I'm not following? God knew what?

Well thats what i am asking? What did he know? It seems like he didn't know much at all.

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 16:25

Terrribletwos · 14/12/2024 16:12

Well thats what i am asking? What did he know? It seems like he didn't know much at all.

I don't get it either, sorry. What did God not know?

snowlady4 · 14/12/2024 16:29

This just reminded me of when I was in school, a long time ago.. we went on a school trip.. and went to kind of a court room where we were either the defense or the prosecution for Jesus Christ! Its all a bit of a blur now but I do remember it being quite thought provoking at the time!

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 16:31

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 16:00

You said" this way, faith in a said religion, is not an informed choice, you just find your self in it, and because it’s never usually questioned, you believe what whatever others tell you is the truth, and most people just accept that, without really thinking about it "

Ok tell me what you meant please, especially"most people accept that, without really thinking about it"

Edited

You are being deliberately argumentative, after i have explained my views several times to you. Please go and pick a fight elsewhere.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 16:33

snowlady4 · 14/12/2024 16:29

This just reminded me of when I was in school, a long time ago.. we went on a school trip.. and went to kind of a court room where we were either the defense or the prosecution for Jesus Christ! Its all a bit of a blur now but I do remember it being quite thought provoking at the time!

Definitely an interesting school trip!

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 16:43

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 16:31

You are being deliberately argumentative, after i have explained my views several times to you. Please go and pick a fight elsewhere.

I would like to debate this with you for as I see it with centuries of religious wars, religious reformations, various philosophical and theological developments and the fact that there are about 30,000 different Christian denominations alone I think people being doing nothing but thinking and arguing about Christianity as it's grown, rather than it ticked along and grew organically as populations grew.. So I'd like to see your expansion and evidence for the following statement, that's all.

" this way, faith in a said religion, is not an informed choice, you just find your self in it, and because it’s never usually questioned, you believe what whatever others tell you is the truth, and most people just accept that, without really thinking about it "

If you don't want to engage on it further that's fine.

AgileGreenSeal · 14/12/2024 17:07

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 14/12/2024 14:50

Why? They didn't last time.

Last time He came quietly as the Servant of YHWH to rescue His people.
Next time He will be coming in glory as the victorious King to set up His reign on earth.