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If someone claimed to be the Son of God today…

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Nutcracks · 13/12/2024 22:46

If someone claimed today all the things that Jesus did/said, would you believe them?

Curious about how people would respond in today’s world.

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Behindthethymes · 14/12/2024 09:46

Which claims specifically?

I’m puzzled because in the bible Jesus kept claiming to be “the son of man” and apart from calling God the equivalent of “daddy” and encouraging everyone else to do the same, I can’t see where he made any claims at all.

Of all the prophets I’ve read about, he seems like a really decent sort, and I can see why people were so taken with him.

According to the gospels he did things rather than said he would do things. Do you mean claims like the end of the world being near?

Lots and lots of people have claimed this in the meantime.

Ifailed · 14/12/2024 09:47

Isn't it time for the next one to be the daughter of god?

Wolfpa · 14/12/2024 09:48

Would they be able to turn water into wine?

ouch321 · 14/12/2024 09:50

This was explored in a drama on one of the streamers which I watched a year or so back. Set in America. Trying to recall the name...

UnnervingYetCaptivating · 14/12/2024 09:52

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 09:29

Like who? Who would you believe?

There are just 2 people in my personal life / family who I’ve known for a very very long time. Both have different qualities but are just the loveliest kindest people who go above and beyond for others. Both also have a way of somehow managing to contact me and say the exact right things when needed (without knowing if I’m going through a bad time as I’m not much of a talker) they are just very intriguing to me somehow and I feel like if someone said either of them were some kind of higher power I’d think ‘yes, I knew there was something’ 😂

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 09:53

No. We were warned about people claiming to be the Son of God in the Bible. When he returns for real there won't be any doubt!

@Behindthethymes in John 1:1 it's written "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jesus was the Word, so he is God. Part of the Trinity.
In John 10:30 Jesus states: "I and the Father are one."

MrsSchrute · 14/12/2024 09:56

Yes, plenty of people would believe.
I was recently deep in a rabbit hole about Warren Jeffs and the FLDS, the dude is in prison for sex offences against children and thousands of people still believe he is the prophet of God!

BananaNirvana · 14/12/2024 09:56

I was going to say people were a lot more gullible 2000 years ago but with the advent of conspiracy theorists on social media in the last ten years I’m not to sure 😬

Tcateh · 14/12/2024 09:59

Well it's obviously Michael Palin.

Humble, carries a globe around being rather nice.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 14/12/2024 10:01

It would depend where it happened I think. In the US, maybe there’d be a cult following among a section of society. Or they’d be shot. Anywhere else in the world, ignored or sectioned I suspect!

AgnesX · 14/12/2024 10:02

Thegreatestoftheseislove · 14/12/2024 02:10

No. The Bible has made it clear that when He returns it will not be as gentle Jesus, meek and mild - an otherwise non descript baby, boy, man seen only by a few and for His arrival to be spread by gossip or mutterings on social media. This time around EVERY eye shall see Him. He will fulfill the role of Israel’s Deliverer and King, and the whole world will mourn for not recognising Him and His sacrifice the first time around. See Rev 19 There will be no room for doubt that He is here. Praise God!

He'll have his work cut out in this world of misinformation.

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 10:03

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 09:53

No. We were warned about people claiming to be the Son of God in the Bible. When he returns for real there won't be any doubt!

@Behindthethymes in John 1:1 it's written "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." Jesus was the Word, so he is God. Part of the Trinity.
In John 10:30 Jesus states: "I and the Father are one."

Well, there would be doubt because a lot of people don’t believe in Jesus or this Christian god. Also John never met Jesus, so it’s Johns musings of what he would like to happen, so
its very unlikely to ever happen. In any case, humanity is now due some brand new religions, with some new prophecies etc.

Nothatgingerpirate · 14/12/2024 10:04

I'd go and ask to shake their hand 😂

Ohgodnowwhat · 14/12/2024 10:06

Garlicwest · 14/12/2024 02:52

Oh, fuck, it IS Donald Trump, isn't it?! 😱

Derren Brown. I want it to be Derren Brown. He can do all the things! He does explain that they're tricks, but they're so bloody clever. Maybe he's getting an invisible helping hand? (I'm 100% sure he doesn't want to be worshipped, though ... which brings us back to the giant Wotsit in the White House.)

🤣

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 10:06

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 10:03

Well, there would be doubt because a lot of people don’t believe in Jesus or this Christian god. Also John never met Jesus, so it’s Johns musings of what he would like to happen, so
its very unlikely to ever happen. In any case, humanity is now due some brand new religions, with some new prophecies etc.

Yes that's true, so maybe they'll think he's an alien! Especially as he's coming down on the clouds.

What do you mean, John never met Jesus? He's one of the 12 disciples! Also Jesus returning is prophesied in the Old Testament.

Bearsinmotion · 14/12/2024 10:06

Someone at my uni claimed to be the son of God (too many magic mushrooms) and that as such he didn't need to sit his exams.

University response was that as son of God he should be omniscient so sitting exams shouldn't be an issue for him...

Notachristmaself · 14/12/2024 10:08

JamMakingWannaBe · 13/12/2024 23:33

I think there are too many Gods in our multi-cultural / multi-faith world. Are they the son of Christian God or another, or newer, God? In "Biblical" times, a charismatic preacher could establish a following - especially if they were considered a healer (no modern medicine) too.

Modern society is so much more cynical - however see how Trump (charismatic personality) has amassed a faithful following.

I would wonder why God has not sent a daughter this time.

All the Abrahamic religions God is the same one. I think even the multi God people are manifestations of the same God ( If yo believe God exists that is) There are just different paths to the same God, and they are seen as the 'wrong' path by the others.

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 10:16

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 10:06

Yes that's true, so maybe they'll think he's an alien! Especially as he's coming down on the clouds.

What do you mean, John never met Jesus? He's one of the 12 disciples! Also Jesus returning is prophesied in the Old Testament.

Apologies, I was thinking of Paul.

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 10:17

A man who said the things Jesus said could be considered a lunatic. Who was this random son of a carpenter who had been silent for 30 years before starting his ministry? There were lots of witnesses to his miracles yet plenty of people at the time didn't believe him and when he was gone he left behind only a few hundred followers. His following should have died away yet thousands of years later he has about a billion followers making him one of the most influential people ever. There must have been something real about him but plenty of people in his day either missed it, dismissed it or refused to believe. Faith is hard and takes a massive leap of trust. I don't know if I would have been one of those ones who would have believed to be honest and I would have missed out on something really big.

Anyway just as well he said he's coming back in a blaze of glory so we can't miss it next time around 😁

helpfulperson · 14/12/2024 10:37

DanceTheDevilBackIntoHisHole · 14/12/2024 09:42

Did you see that mini series The Second Coming when it was on in 2003?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Second_Coming_(TV_serial)

It was brilliant and starred Christopher Eccleston. No idea if it's still available anywhere and it will have dates due to lack of social media back then but it was gripping and really well done.

Yes, it was really thought provoking. If I remember correctly he turned the whole world dark except for a single shaft of light to convince people.

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 11:10

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 10:17

A man who said the things Jesus said could be considered a lunatic. Who was this random son of a carpenter who had been silent for 30 years before starting his ministry? There were lots of witnesses to his miracles yet plenty of people at the time didn't believe him and when he was gone he left behind only a few hundred followers. His following should have died away yet thousands of years later he has about a billion followers making him one of the most influential people ever. There must have been something real about him but plenty of people in his day either missed it, dismissed it or refused to believe. Faith is hard and takes a massive leap of trust. I don't know if I would have been one of those ones who would have believed to be honest and I would have missed out on something really big.

Anyway just as well he said he's coming back in a blaze of glory so we can't miss it next time around 😁

“His following should have died away yet thousands of years later he has about a billion followers making him one of the most influential people ever”.

Today, there are roughly over 2.3 billion practicing Christians, of various denominations. The vast majority of this number, as with any other religions, are born into that religion, and they inherit those religious beliefs from their parents, their family, the community around them etc. In this way, faith in a said religion, is not an informed choice, you just find your self in it, and because it’s never usually questioned, you believe what whatever others tell you is the truth, and most people just accept that, without really thinking about. From birth babies are essentially indoctrinated in those beliefs, and most people have never read the bible, they just listen to what their holy men tell them, and then they go on about their lives. For many, religion is not an informed choice.

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 11:26

I'd say now more than ever religion, Christianity for sure, is an informed choice. Nobody is forced to believe, in our part of the world anyway. That's why you will see numbers dwindling in certain parts of the world.

Christianity is still growing, even where religious practice is not encouraged- see Boston University research on growth of Christianity in China
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2023/why-is-christianity-growing-in-china/

Generations of people all over the world have also chosen to die to defend their faith rather than reject what they were born into. It's unfair to them to assert they were indoctrinated fools, they could have rejected their beliefs and saved their lives, but they didn't.

AlteredStater · 14/12/2024 11:46

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 11:10

“His following should have died away yet thousands of years later he has about a billion followers making him one of the most influential people ever”.

Today, there are roughly over 2.3 billion practicing Christians, of various denominations. The vast majority of this number, as with any other religions, are born into that religion, and they inherit those religious beliefs from their parents, their family, the community around them etc. In this way, faith in a said religion, is not an informed choice, you just find your self in it, and because it’s never usually questioned, you believe what whatever others tell you is the truth, and most people just accept that, without really thinking about. From birth babies are essentially indoctrinated in those beliefs, and most people have never read the bible, they just listen to what their holy men tell them, and then they go on about their lives. For many, religion is not an informed choice.

I don't really agree with those sentiments. Certainly you can be influenced by your family's religion to start with, but eventually people make their own decisions and may totally go against what they grew up with, marry into another religion and subsequently change their original one, fall into disbelief, etc.

I grew up in a loosely Christian household but didn't really confirm my faith until my twenties when I started reading the Bible properly. Even then I still lapsed for many years till coming back recently. I've learned a lot and keep on learning about my faith every day.

Fraaances · 14/12/2024 11:49

Lots of people claim to be the son of god. They usually end up in and out of psychiatric facilities.

SleepyHippy3 · 14/12/2024 11:49

Boohbooh · 14/12/2024 11:26

I'd say now more than ever religion, Christianity for sure, is an informed choice. Nobody is forced to believe, in our part of the world anyway. That's why you will see numbers dwindling in certain parts of the world.

Christianity is still growing, even where religious practice is not encouraged- see Boston University research on growth of Christianity in China
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2023/why-is-christianity-growing-in-china/

Generations of people all over the world have also chosen to die to defend their faith rather than reject what they were born into. It's unfair to them to assert they were indoctrinated fools, they could have rejected their beliefs and saved their lives, but they didn't.

Edited

I didn’t say they were “indoctrinated fools”. Don’t put words into people’s mouths.

Yes, there are a lot lot of informed religious conversions , but most children are indeed indoctrinated into their faith, at birth, and most will not question it, as it’s part of the culture around them, which is fine. Maybe when they grow up and really truly start to think about what their religions really means, they may then make truly informed choices, around their faith.

And just to be clear, religions like Christianity (with all its different denominations), are not growing because of conversion (that is through an informed choice) but they are growing because of soaring birth rates and ever increasing populations. So every year, incrementally, millions of more babies are born into Christianity, and this adds to the numbers, in the statistics. But of course, their Christianity was not their choice, it wasn’t an informed choice, they were born into the faith in oppose to finding Jesus for themselves.