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To think that male crimes shouldn't be reported/recorded as female crimes?

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Agerbilatemycardigan · 05/07/2018 08:53

Sorry for the long title - not very good at condensing things.

I've moved this petition started by Jeanhatchet over to AIBU because I want more people to see this, as I think it's a very important distinction to make.

After the recent tube station attack, there was an outcry by members of the public who objected to the way the attack was reported as being committed by women, when it was obvious that the attackers were male.

Please sign the below petition to stop this from happening in the future.

www.change.org/p/sajid-when-men-are-arrested-charge-their-crime-as-a-male-crime-not-their-self-identified-gender?recruiter=8398736&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_initial&utm_term=psf_combo_share_initial.OeZwVSukQ4uHvgFPW1LGRQ.3Keep

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Iseveryusernamealreadytaken · 05/07/2018 09:30

YANBU - It's not just the police either. The press guidelines say that the media should report crimes committed by transwomen (interpreted as any male who says they identify as a woman) as being committed by women and (except in very limited circumstances) not even mention that they are trans.

Take, for example, this story of a male with a history of abusing children who posed as a teenage girl online to groom children:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-posed-teenage-girl-facebook-9759228

It is acknowledged that they made up the bit about being a teenager in order to groom the boys but of course sex offenders wouldn't lie about being a woman so that part must be taken seriously.

And, no, that article doesn't even mention that Jasmine is male, you only find that out in a story where it is "relevant" (ie where they are lying about being raped to try to get transferred to a women's prison):

metro.co.uk/2018/02/21/trans-woman-jasmine-hill-lied-raped-mens-prison-child-abuse-sentencing-7329420/

I bet that'll be used as evidence that women lie about rape as well. Angry

Waddlelikeapenguin · 05/07/2018 09:37

At 833 already (bump)

Agerbilatemycardigan · 05/07/2018 09:57

I was abused on FB by a woman I'd never even spoken to before, because I said that a trans murderer is a man - which he is, when he was reported as being female.

They went absolutely nuts. The abuse was unbelievable. They of course deleted their comments pretty quickly, whereas I left mine as they were.

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bebanjo · 05/07/2018 10:03

Done

Sarahjconnor · 05/07/2018 10:07

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Agerbilatemycardigan · 05/07/2018 10:26

908 now!

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therealposieparker · 05/07/2018 10:49

Completely agree and have signed. Hopefully if you get traction with this we can move onto trans women police officers searching female suspects too!!

womanformallyknownaswoman · 05/07/2018 10:54

Signed - yes it's administrative abuse to falsify statistics - because what all perps want is for their history to be erased so they can carry on offending unfettered

GahWhatever · 05/07/2018 10:58

I want the statistics to be correct. I don't really care how the press report it initially, as long as the truth is reflected in the sentence and the appropriate prison is used.

therealposieparker · 05/07/2018 11:17

bump

Agerbilatemycardigan · 05/07/2018 11:31

1000 signatures. Let's get it to 1500!

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Janie143 · 05/07/2018 13:39

Bump Please sign if you agree that it is wrong that UK crime statistics say that 6 women have been convicted of rape. The definition of rape in the UK law is penetration with a penis Anything else is sexual assault

maddening · 05/07/2018 13:41

Reporting should be based on sex not gender

Jeanhatchet · 05/07/2018 19:48

Thanks for supporting the petition mumsnetters. Little bump.

Cismyass · 05/07/2018 19:56

Signed and shared on Facebook

OlennasWimple · 05/07/2018 19:58

By the time I finish typing this it should be at 1500...

OlennasWimple · 05/07/2018 19:59

Bit weird though - when I clicked on the link, it said "Anne Ruzlyo needs your help" and told me that AR had just signed the petition. I don't know why they chose her name - she wasn't one of the most recent signatories, and I don't think we are connected on social media Confused

Agerbilatemycardigan · 05/07/2018 19:59

It's now gone past 1500 Smile

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CocoDeMoll · 05/07/2018 20:00

FFS Signed

Cistersaredoingitforthemselves · 05/07/2018 20:05

I have signed but I have opted not to show my name .... first time ever to do so

Strigiformes · 05/07/2018 20:22

Signed, thanks for posting.

nanettenanoo · 05/07/2018 20:38

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SirVixofVixHall · 05/07/2018 21:14

I also opted not to show my name. Sad

Waddlelikeapenguin · 05/07/2018 22:12

1,623 have signed Smile

sexnotgender · 05/07/2018 22:14

Signed and shared on FB.

It's beyond a joke.

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