Shannon Matthews Mother arrested !!!!!

[kay1981]

They have arrested her on perverting the course of justice - which i think means lying to the police under oath doesnt it?

Is it at all possible that they knew where she was all the time?

Perhaps cahnnel 4 should now re-show the documentary on shannons family and see how it is received knowing what we know.

I haven't seen anyone justifying what happened to Shannon on this thread.

The only defence of Karen Matthews is from against people arguing that she is not scum, just because she is poor, uneducated and has 7 children with 5 fathers.

If she is guilty then her behaviour is appalling and I hope she is dealt with rightly, and her other children are made safe from further harm.

I am not justifying what she did, or sticking up for her.
Merely painting another possible side to this story that we have no idea to.

Is it really possible that we live in a society where it would occur to someone to use the supposed abduction of their child to play on the sympathies of the nation for an assumed finacial gain? If - and it's a massive 'if' that is what has happened then I really think as a nation we need to consider how it is possible for a person or people to be so lacking in empathy and compassion that they could put uninvolved family,friends and the wider community through such an experience. Not to mention the many, many parents who have lost children and who probably found the loss of Shannon to bring back distressing memories of their own. To do such a thing, to be so desperate or so cold - very,very sad

yes quite meemar. Having 5 children by 7 fathers would be quite a feat.

We know so little about the case but it doesn't stop people indulging in horrible gossip.

vs, there is no "other side" to this story though. Either Karen Matthews was involved in Shannon's disappearance or she wasn't. If she wasn't, then that will presumably become apparent in time, but if she was then there is no justification. none. It doesn't matter whether Shannon was well cared for or not, the fact is that if Karen Matthews had a hand in this, then she played on public sympathy, gained credibility in the media, kept the police away from potentially real crimes, and if Shannon had not been found when she was, would have potentially gone on to gain from this financially.

There is a member of Karen Matthews' family who has come on to this site and has said that she is glad that those children have been taken into care. That speaks volumes IMO.

So yes, if Karen matthews is found guilty of involvement in Shannon's disappearance, then she is scum, along with anyone else who was involved.

I didnt say it was justified FGS.
I just said Shannon may not have been at all harmed by it!

Oh but Wannabe, you decided she was scum long before any suggestion she played a part in this.

VS - Did you just say even if she staged her own daughter's abduction, how does that make her a bad mother???

If that doesn't make you a bad mother, what on earth is a 'bad mother'?

Even if (a big IF) nothing else happened during her 'abduction' - She was stuck in a bed (fgs) and pulled out by the police who crashed through the door. Now the whole world is talking about her. And why did her mother put her through this trauma? Money.

And you think this does not make her a 'bad mother'?!?

By VictorianSqualor on Tue 08-Apr-08 16:31:53
If she staged the kidnapping then she was a prat (...), but her daughter came to no harm, and could've been well looked after during the 'abduction' so how does that make her a bad mother?

TBH I don't think Shannon's family can use their class and financial status as any justification if they did indeed stage the whole sordid affair,or even know/have the faintest inkling what had happened to her.
As for having 7 hildren by 5 fathers, well to me its not the fact that she was sleeping with all these different men but the fact that it seems to be indicative of a woman who seems to regard having a child so lightly, you would think after 2/3/4 children she would have not wanted to have any children with random men unless she was married/in a stable longterm relationship AND financially able to support any subsequent children. To me her her lifestyle choices speak of a woman who isn't emotionally as healthy as she could be. Ultimately if Shannon ends up being raised by loving foster parents instead of starting the cycle over again in ten years (which statistically she would have been very likely to do) then maybe she will have a happier life, money doesn't make you happy, but it can alleviate some of the causes of unhappiness, it can give you options and choices.

And no, I don't believe it is responsible to have children when you are relying on other peopleto support them, I would have had my 4th child much sooner after I had my 3rd but for the fact that it took three years until me and DH could afford to maintain the lifestyle we would want AND have another child.
I say this as a mother of 6 children by one man who is more than able to support us all financially.

scienceteacher etc-i will repeat,how do you know she had problems forming relationships?where does it say that she kicked the bloke out as soon as she'd mated with them?maybe they turned out to be cheating arseholes but as they werent middle class cheating arseholes she didnt see the need to stay with them so she could keep her nice house and car?

personally,i think that bigoted snobs should be banned from having kids,as we certainly dont need another generation of them

Sky news now reporting that Karen has admitted talking to the alleged abuductor just before shannon went missing.

Police said, if they had known this info at the beginning then it would have led them straight to her............

This is about a nine year old child, who should have been safely looked after by her parents, not left to come home from school on her own while her mother ?probably was sitting on her fat arse drinking tea/coffee ?entertaining halve the council estate she lives in, (I also live in council estate but my children have always been well looked after and provided for)
KM looks what she is, a mother who doesn?t give a dam about the kids she brought into the world, she should be sterilised and not be allowed to have any more children who are left to walk home alone ?and probably left to roam the streets and annoy everyone else?
If you can?t look after children don?t have them.
I will probably be linched for this posting, but CHILDREN are the most treasured thing anyone can ever have.

Message withdrawn

not exactly the same situation as in the single mums Riven. Looks like KM had just about time to tidy up her bikini line before the next man was on the scene!

police now got til tomorrow to continue questioning KM.

Calendar, local news channel has just reported that the CPS will be making an announcement within the net hour direct from Dewsbury police station.

I agree with Peapod.

I also thinks it's terribly sad that the next time a little girl goes missing, from a working class family, some people will be doubting the parents story, thinking that this INSANE woman and her strange men friends are somehow representitive of the average working class person. I think they are exceptionally cold-hearted and KM has betrayed her daughter, so sickeningly.

Working class girls will go missing again though, and unfortunately Karen Matthews might be mentioned in the next breath

Thank God Shannon has been placed with a foster family.

Well, this wouldnt be the first staged kidnapping in history, would it?

Am ROFL at Krang's Questionnare....

"By krang on Tue 08-Apr-08 11:03:40
God, what a wonderful world it would be if some of the posters here were in charge of who has children...

PLEASE FILL IN THE FOLLOWING FORM. DO NOT LIE, OR YOUR RIGHT TO REPRODUCE WILL BE REMOVED. YOU WILL ALSO BE SUBJECTED TO HALF AN HOUR'S TUTTING.

1. Have you ever left your children alone for more than five minutes? YES/NO

1. Do you use your benefits to buy Morally Wrong Things like Strong Drink? YES/NO

1. Did you get a telly on credit when you could have spent the money on Wholesome Nourishment for the Babes?

YES/NO

1. How much do you CARE?

a. Loads! More than anyone b. Not that much c. Not at all, I am an evil benefits scrounger responsible for an entire feral generation

1. How Irresponsible are you on a scale of one to ten? Please take into account a/number of people slept with b/number of children by different fathers c/hairstyle

1. Have you ever done anything that anyone anywhere might consider Irresponsible? (Disclaimer: please take into account anything you have ever done with your children, ever. Bear in mind that we may not necessarily be able to define Irresponsible Acts of Bad Motherhood until they have occurred and their consequences have been fully investigated.) "

If Shannons mother was involved, then I think that is very sad.

I still that the main issue is the welfare of Shannon. I hope she ends up with a family who love her, whether it be with her father or with a foster family.

I simply don't understand people on here justifying Karen Matthews's behaviour.

They would be the first people to slate the social services if Shannon, who was about to be removed from her home before any of this happened, had come to any harm.

The child should have our sympathy, not a useless mother. I'm sure some people were most understanding about Victoria Climbie's home circumstances and quite ready to accept that different folk/different strokes etc, and look what happened there.

She's certainly not done the image of working class mothers much good, has she?

fircone - we dont know exactly what she's done though, do we? Not yet.

Oh, and something I forgot to post earlier...

The child's name is Shannon not Sharon....

I dont think they could go lower in your estimation Xenia, could they????