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Shannon Matthews Mother arrested !!!!!

1002 replies

kay1981 · 07/04/2008 09:22

They have arrested her on perverting the course of justice - which i think means lying to the police under oath doesnt it?

Is it at all possible that they knew where she was all the time?

Perhaps cahnnel 4 should now re-show the documentary on shannons family and see how it is received knowing what we know.

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VictorianSqualor · 08/04/2008 09:56

Oh, and all this 'care' you all seem to have is based around your 'hard-earned' taxes, is that really care?
Or just greed?
So they may be on benefits, but that is just a factor of ther life, not what determines their whole being.

Trolleydolly71 · 08/04/2008 09:57

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Panino · 08/04/2008 09:57

yes VS, I DO hold two degrees, 10 years apart, and obtained a research post-degree qualification in my field.
Didn't wish to mention them at all. Till now.

Formal education, marriage, having children blah is no antidote to demonstrating a lacking in taste on a forum.

ScienceTeacher · 08/04/2008 09:57

Well said, Chocfest

Pennies · 08/04/2008 09:59

JV - I suppose we care / are interested because at the heart of this is the plight of some children and as parents we are trying to make some sense of how / why those kids have ended up in the mess that they are in.

Because of the life they lead and the choices they've made it's not unreasonable to question their intelligence or levels of ignorance. Why's that so strange?

Furthermore, in this case we're all affected by it because we've been vicariously paying for it via our taxes / their benefits and this whole scenario is costing the taxpayer yet more. OK, money's not the MAIN issue but it has been mentioned here so it also goes to explain why some people are showing vitriol and judgement. Again, for me , that's not surprising.

FWIW I also think Riven's a bit too PC. Trolley's comments were obviously no slight on those who are mentally disabled so let's not start slinging mud at someone for drawing an analogy.

doggiesayswoof · 08/04/2008 10:00

vera, you're disgusting. I'm hiding this thread. Glad you know what soap is for though (sounds like something my long-dead granny would have said)

meemar · 08/04/2008 10:00

ooh, glad to see this thread hasn't kicked off yet

No1ErmaBombeckfan · 08/04/2008 10:01

ha ha Meemar... should we check their bins for Nestle wrappers and fruit shoots???

piratecat · 08/04/2008 10:03

Some more speculation from me.

Maybe Karen was being blackmailed by her lover? Who knows. She could be mentally ill, she could be under the influence of drugs or anything. They all could be to some extent.

Who knows what devastating circumstances lead to this situation, when you take into acocunt even the few detials we know about the family, the abuse etc...

Communities or people pushed together by lack of status, addiction,abuse can't always stand back and be clearheaded and suddenly coherent. We have no idea what is behind this, or who is covering for who.

Panino · 08/04/2008 10:03

nah. One or two people on this thread "care" so they can crawl up their own bottoms and feel very smug about themselves by getting all pointy-fingered about other people. Insecure little folk, so they are.

right. need to take my brain the size of a planet off to do something useful.

Veraduckworthshandbag · 08/04/2008 10:03

Never said I was a rocket scientist, just pointing out I am nothing like this bunch of low life breeders for benefits, with their children here there and everywhere by god knows who, and their let the state pay mentality.
Also I got my A's and O's despite dyslexia.

How ever you look at it these people are everything that is bad about England today, and everyone mollycoddling then and their life choices just adds to the problem.

piratecat · 08/04/2008 10:03

helllo meemarr, you must have been connecting with me!!!

VictorianSqualor · 08/04/2008 10:03

But people who are not particularly intelligent are normally not that way because they chose to be!

If you really want to get down to it maybe we should blame karen's mother, or her mother, or her mother, because people don't just suddenly become unintelligent and have lower morals than some of us may feel necessary, it's a way of life that they were bought into as children once and have not got either the inclination or capability to change their situation.

We are already seeing the possibility of Criag Meehan having been abused, who is to say Karen wasn't treated less than desirably? For all we know she may have been doing what she felt was best for her children, whether it be dishonest or not.

Freckle · 08/04/2008 10:04

Actually, when this whole mess first hit the press, it was reported that Craig Meehan was to be commended because he had been supporting the family for the last 4 years through his full-time job. So maybe they weren't in receipt of benefits to the extent that some believe, possible just child benefit and tax credits (which a lot of people on here claim too - well, we all get child benefit).

ScienceTeacher · 08/04/2008 10:05

That makes it all OK then, VS

chocfest · 08/04/2008 10:06

thanks scienceteacher.

Victorian - I care about the children involved, I also care about my taxes being spent in this way.

My greed does not come into it, and if it did, I would stop work today, call the benefits office, and when the first payment comes through, head to the supermarket to stock up on alcohol. Then of course, I would sit at one of my 2 computers, chat away on my mobile phone, watch a bit of tv, go for a drive in my car etc etc
Not a bad life really, if you could live with your conscience.

Others use their benefits as they were meant for, necessities for their families, and those are the ones I feel sorry for, the GENUINE people who need ehlp.

ScienceTeacher · 08/04/2008 10:06

Craig Meehan worked on the fish counter in a supermarket.

JeremyVile · 08/04/2008 10:06

"well, we care because we should care about children who are brought up within thiese dysfunctional families."

Dysfunctional families always have and always will exist. We dont license who can reproduce.

"We care about where our hard earned taxes go, and im sure you agree that watching them being spent on crates of beer by the matthew family was rubbing salt into the wounds of those who work damn hard for what they have and it may not include the luxury of sitting on ones arse knocking back the alhohol paid for by someone else."

I dont much care tbh. I paid higher rate tax for years, but have always just felt privileged to live in a country that has a decent benefits system. And I accept that along with a decent benefit system will come SOME who dont use it as we would wish.

"We care, because unless something is done to help the children involved here, history will repeat itself and a few years down the line there will be another generation the same. "

The same as what? Thick? Scummy? or just scroungers? Maybe so, poverty is a hard cycle to break.

"If we care, those children will have a chance of a fresh start within a stable enviroment."

No, not 'if we care'. We have a wonderful Social Services that are already on it.

"I think its sufficient reason as to why some of us on here care.

And extremely sad that quite obviously some don't. "

Yes, YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT.
i DONT CARE ABOUT THE FACT THEY ARE ON BENEFITS.
I dont care that they drink beer.
I dont care that they look dirty.
I dont care whether they have ever read a book or not.
I dont care how many men KM has slept with.

TheFallenMadonna · 08/04/2008 10:07

I think being of very low intelligence is pretty disabling in our society.

I have no idea about the intelligence of this family. Or about what actually happened to Shannon Matthews. But I know that some of the comments on here have depressed me profoundly.

VictorianSqualor · 08/04/2008 10:08

None of it is ok, but it's even less ok to sit here and slag off a family that we know nothing about.
There are a million and one people selling tidbits of information to the papers, but because the family can't articulate themselves well enough they must all be paedophiles and scroungers, of course.

We don't know what happened yet, no-one does, what we do know is Shannon is now safe and IMO that it all that really matters.

Nice to know you got close enough to smell whether they use soap or not as well Vera

piratecat · 08/04/2008 10:08

no it doesnt make it ok, but molycoddling is different to compassion.

i cannot understand people who are so bitter they have no copmpassion.

and no compassion does not mean condoning

chocfest · 08/04/2008 10:08

or even 'help'!

Right must head off and get my 'triplets' aged 13,11 and 7 out into the sunshine!

Freckle · 08/04/2008 10:08

So, just possibly, it was Craig's wages that paid for the beer?? Just a thought.

Enid · 08/04/2008 10:09

lol @ 'competitive caring'

this is what happened on here over Madeleine McCann

soooooooooooooo predictable

piratecat · 08/04/2008 10:11

sorry, and having compassion, does notmean condoning.

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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