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Howard Jacobson in the Independent on Big Brother - Well Worth A Read!!!!

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JoolsToo · 20/01/2007 12:41

wow!

"Thus Jade, though she wouldn't know what I am talking about, is the child of that nihilism which gave us postmodernism and the Turner prize. A celebrity for being nobody, a belcher and a farter with her own perfume, she is an ironic reference to the unmeaningness of meaning.

Racism? We have far more to worry about than that."

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yellowrose · 20/01/2007 18:19

dizzy snap !

pointydog · 20/01/2007 18:20

yes, stupidity cause, racism symptom

moondog · 20/01/2007 18:23

Great article.
I am worried about the way the papers collude in creating heroes and villains for us all.
It is pantomime at the most basic level.

SoupDragon · 20/01/2007 18:44

"all stupid people are at some level racists"

I wouldn't agree with that comment at all - you can be stupid and not be racist. I would say the opposite is true - that at some level all racists are stupid. Too stupid to notice that race makes no difference to whether a person is worth knowing etc.

yellowrose · 20/01/2007 18:56

he does equate stupidity with ignorance throughout the article - of course it is ignorance that breeds prejudice (of which racism is one type)

so perhaps it would have been more accurate to say "all racists are ignorant"

yellowrose · 20/01/2007 18:59

ignorant people (i.e. goody) tend not to be interested in knowledge or opposing views hence their automatic admission to the world of the ignorant !

edam · 20/01/2007 19:00

Hercules, for evidence that TV is terribly dumbed down, just look at what they show on BBC4 - programmes like Yes Minister that were mainstream Beeb 1 in the 80s are now on a minority channel. And when you look at them, they are so slow compared to today's TV ie demanding much more sustained attention. Basically YM is three men in a room. No way you'd get away with that on a major channel today.

BB is so nervous that we'll get bored watching one person talk that even the stuff from the diary room is intercut (with pictures of the door handle, FFS) every five seconds.

suzycreamcheese · 20/01/2007 20:06

yeh, i did want to know WHO he was, if anyone knows!?
academic was mentioned..

hey hi yellowrose..nice to bump into you too..

foxinsocks · 20/01/2007 20:09

I'm reading Kalooki Nights at the moment - he's a funny man.

howard jacobson

and Jools - reading the Independent!! Whatever next!

yellowrose · 20/01/2007 20:12

here you go - he is a novelist and broadcaster

this

yellowrose · 20/01/2007 20:13

sorry i am obviously rubbish at doing links !

www.contemporarywriters.com/authors/?p=auth53

yellowrose · 20/01/2007 20:14

fox - we have the same link, how come yours worked and mine didn't

JoolsToo · 20/01/2007 20:26

foxy

I also read The Times now and again and have cracking article for debate on Monday

get yer hard hat ready

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foxinsocks · 20/01/2007 20:31

lol Jools

was it from this weekend? I'll have to go and hunt it out!

(yellowrose, not sure what you did wrong there - but if you put your second link into the brackets and put a title at the end, it should work)

yellowrose · 20/01/2007 20:33

thanks fox - i think i missed the title bit !

suzycreamcheese · 20/01/2007 20:40

i copied and pasted it and it worked, ta!
he sort of looks like someone else doesn't he, kept on thinking ...thanks yellowrose!

drosophila · 20/01/2007 20:49

A tad bitchy I think. I'm not sure I agree with the statement that all stupid people are at some level racist either.

JoolsToo · 20/01/2007 22:24

he appears to have a thing about The Turner - can't say I blame him

(fellow Manc too )

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dotcotton · 20/01/2007 23:07

He does put it all really well but he clearly doesn't watch the programme, must have just dipped in to write this - Jade was never "sweetly ignorant" and she certainly had the confidence to be a horrible aggressive bully in her first BB. ANd he's made me feel a bit ashamed of watching it! But he won't stop me!

Not voting any more though as a small protest against Endemol.

Frenchsmallfry · 21/01/2007 10:38

Great articles, I think the first one sums it up personaly.

LittleSarah · 21/01/2007 10:47

Great article, agreed with pretty much everything.

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