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John Lydon on grave dancing

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Feenie · 11/04/2013 10:24

John Lydon yesterday: "I'm not happy about the boo boo parties.

'When someone dies, give them respect. Enemy or not. I can't be listening to folk who do that.

'What kind of politics are they offering me? You dance on another person's grave? That's loathsome.'

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AmberLeaf · 11/04/2013 10:41

He is a sexist buerk.

www.guardian.co.uk/music/video/2013/apr/11/john-lydon-australian-tv-video

I can't be listening to folk who say shit like that.

DreamsTurnToGoldDust · 11/04/2013 10:43

Sorry but anything that twat has to say is not worth listening to, hes turned into a self important rent a gob.

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Feenie · 11/04/2013 10:52

Sorry but anything that twat has to say is not worth listening to, hes turned into a self important rent a gob.

I'd agree actually - what I meant to say is that I thought his views were surprising, and not the only ones I've found surprising this week - Billy Bragg's surprised me too.

It's interesting that lots of different people have found the rejoicing part 'loathsome'; both left, right and those who claim to be neither.

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edam · 11/04/2013 23:28

The man advertises butter, FFS. Who gives a toss what he thinks?

Dominodonkey · 11/04/2013 23:31

I don't necessarily agree with 'when someone dies, give them respect' but there is a vast area between respect and outright jubilation at a death.

TheYoniVicarInaTutu · 11/04/2013 23:38

the butter he did to fund getting Public Image Ltd back on tour....

i cant help but like him - i know he spouts some utter drivel but among it is a smattering of genius.

i hated thatcher. but i do not agree in any way with the jubilation at her death - she is dead ffs - the only people this will hurt are her family. i cant see the point. she is beyond caring....

edam · 13/04/2013 00:27

I do wonder whether those who claim 'when someone dies, even if you hated everything they stood for, you should be respectful' were terribly polite about, ooh, I dunno, Saddam Hussein, or Gadaffi, when they died? If you have to be respectful to anyone immediately after their death, then it applies across the board, no picking and choosing. It's not a ridiculous comparison, btw, Thatcher supported Pinochet and apartheid.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 13/04/2013 07:51

I think, even where it came to Saddam Hussein and Gadaffi, the same principle applies. It's not necessary to actively mourn or even be polite about someone like that but the whole 'dancing in the street' thing is something that has no place in a decent society. I class the people that do it in the same bracket as the barbarians that burn flags and shoot into the air....

Solopower1 · 13/04/2013 08:39

What happened to Saddam Hussein and Gadaffi was horrific, sickening. You can't hate and despise a person for being a monster and then, as soon as they are in your power, behave like a monster yourself. That's not justice. It's a cowardly sort of petty vengeance.

My first (thoughtless) reaction to Thatcher's death was that she was an extraordinary human being and I was glad she had lived - I just wished she had been inflicted on someone else ... But I changed my mind when other posters reminded me of what she actually did. So I wouldn't want to celebrate her life, not at all.

As a matter of historical record, I am glad that people are assessing her legacy and looking back to learn from history and avoid making the same mistakes. But it's demeaning and cowardly and spiteful to want to sing 'Ding dong the witch is dead!' at her funeral, for example (though I thought it was funny the first time I heard of it). Why didn't we stand up to her when she was alive?

I think a demonstration would be OK but the best idea I have heard is for people who hate her to simply turn their backs on her cortege as it passes them.

And a state funeral (or whatever) that costs millions of our money? What an insult to the huge number of people who hated her. Not to mention a colossal waste of money.

edam · 13/04/2013 11:54

I don't think anyone's planning to sing it at the funeral.

specialsubject · 13/04/2013 13:21

Maggie Thatcher is not Saddam Hussein, Adolf Hitler or any other murdering tyrant. She was a democratically elected prime minister.

no, I didn't like her policies either and as I didn't know her am indifferent to her death. And I don't like the huge spend on her funeral.

but good for John Lydon for saying something sensible.

LadyMountbatten · 13/04/2013 13:24

hes just an idiot - who cares what he says

somebloke123 · 15/04/2013 10:18

edam

It's not true that Thatcher supported apartheid. She was against sanctions against SA, which is not the same thing at all. This was because she thought sanctions would most hurt the people we wanted to help. She played a prominent role in negotiating to have Mandela released and when he later came to London he thanked her for her efforts.

I guess it's fair enough to have dancing in the streets when a ruthless dictator is overthrown, and sometimes their overthrow and their death happen at the same time.

But when a democratically elected leader (in MT's case three times) passes away years after relinquishing power it's just pathetic and says much more about the street dancers than about the lady herself.

somebloke123 · 15/04/2013 10:21

AmberLeaf

Sorry to be pedantic but "berk" is spelt thus.

Short for "Berkshire Hunt" - cockney rhyming slang I'm told.

AmberLeaf · 15/04/2013 11:39

Ok. He is a cunt then.

I can spell that one.

Tanith · 15/04/2013 11:51

A berk is someone who can't pronounce the county name correctly.

AmberLeaf · 15/04/2013 12:43

I was going to say that tanith

I always thought berkshire was pronounced BARKshire.

I think the rhyming slang connection is actually from berkly hunt anyway. No idea how that is said berk or bark?

Point ois, john lydon is a wanker who shouldn't be give a platform to speak anyway.

2rebecca · 15/04/2013 13:16

I protested against Thatcher in the 80s but think that funeral protests for a democratically elected politician years after they ceased being a politician are loathsome.
Gadaffi and Saddam Hussein were totally different being dictators who were in power until their deaths.
The time for protesting against Thatcher's policies is over. protest against the current tory government if you like (on a seperate occasion) but if you disliked the woman and her policies just get on with other stuff on wednesday and ignore it.

somebloke123 · 15/04/2013 14:02

AmberLeaf

A quick google shows you are correct - it is from Berkeley Hunt. I stand corrected.

The inconsistency in pronunciation still stands though. The "Berk" in both Berkshire and Berkeley is pronounced "bark".

AmberLeaf · 15/04/2013 14:31

Yes that's why I don't believe the term 'berk' has anything to do with CRS.

As far as I've always known it means someone who is an idiot or a fool. Not cunt.

A quick google will also show the spelling as both berk and burk too.

Anyway, as I said before. The point is john lydon is not worth listening to.

somebloke123 · 15/04/2013 15:00

I suppose it could be - though I don't know this - that cockneys would have used the "berk" rather than "bark" pronunciation which would make it all make sense.

This all reminds me from a couple of lines from the song "Zip" from the musical "Pal Joey":

Zip! English people don't say "clerk" they say "clark"
Zip! Anyone who says "clark" is a "jark"

John Lydon seems to me like a typical pub bore who will come over unbidden and treat you the benefit of his saloon bar wisdom. I think he's correct in this matter though.

AmberLeaf · 15/04/2013 16:26

I think he's a Jark.

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