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'Number 10 link to paedophile ring'-Press association

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kweggie · 24/10/2012 15:59

'There is "clear intelligence" suggesting a historic paedophile ring may be linked to Downing Street and a former prime minister, MPs have been told.

Labour MP Tom Watson alleged a member of a notorious group was connected to a former No 10 aide'

Am I the only one who thinks I may have been living my who;e life in a parallel (decent)universe.....
how much more sleaze is going to emerge......I'm shocked

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WynkenBlynkenandNod · 31/10/2012 08:49

Let me get this straight. Max Clifford who said the secret to his success is 'confidence and the ability to lie', who alleges Clark, his client, was into 14 year old girls but doesn't appear to have alerted the police as someone with information on child abuse should (is required by law to do ?), is deemed suitable as the Ambassador to Children in Need ?

Do the people running these things think we are stupid? Clearly so.

I still am waiting for an answer to the question 'if those responsible for the security of the Cabinet Ministers and Royals knew about the rumours about Savile as half the country seemed to, how could he be deemed suitable to mix with them? If they didn't know, why on earth not, it's there jobs?'

There are photos of JS with Ted Heath, Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown plus a whole load of the Royal Family.

And as Paul Gambaccini said, who was responsible for getting those on the Honours List ? Who exactly is Coco the Clown ?!

WynkenBlynkenandNod · 31/10/2012 08:52

My apologies, I didn't mean Ken Clark, I meant Alan Clark in respect to the bit about Max Clifford.

NigellasGhost · 31/10/2012 11:25

I have just posted this on the other In the News thread:

perhaps we should keep this thread from AIBU bumped:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/1600751--to-think-that-Max-Clifford-is-not-a-suitable-person-to-head

the more people generally aware, the better IMHO

MrsDeVere · 31/10/2012 17:40

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stillsmarting · 31/10/2012 18:52

have alerted the police as someone with information on child abuse should (is required by law to do ?) I am not sure they are required by law to report. We have recently been through a situation where an adult did not report and the Police said that whilst morally they should have done, legally they have not committed a crime.

AnyaKnowIt · 31/10/2012 19:20

MrsDeVere No it hasn't come up as far as I am aware

edam · 31/10/2012 20:52

Clifford was appointed to help Children in Need in 2011. Before all this came out.

margerybruce · 01/11/2012 11:41

Chris Evans ([email protected]) uses his Radio2 morning show to auction 'special prizes' on the week leading up to the Children in Need 'big night', he took over from Terry Wogan. This is a very high profile part of Children in Need.

The following email could be be sent to Chris Evans:

Hi Chris and Team

Even though the mainstream media seems to be ignoring a lot of evidence or at least diluting it, or maybe concentrating on obvious targets, it appears that Max Clifford, the PR ambassador for Children in Need, has admitted or intimated that he has had for many years knowledge and/or evidence of many well known celebrities being involved in child molestation, paedophilia and sexual activity with underage teenagers.

He is currently withholding that information whilst, at the same time, promoting himself and the fact that he has this knowledge. I'm sure that most caring, open minded people would feel that Max Clifford should at least provide every shred of information to the Police, or maybe he should be prosecuted himself for 'protecting' these evil criminals, what do you think?

As someone who is directly involved with Children in Need, do you not think that the charity and associated shows (your's included) are, by the minute, becoming more and more tainted as more and more 'stars' are associated with the vile atrocities so obviously covered up by the BBC, and it is wrong that an individual who has covered up and even profited from such atrocities should be an 'ambassador' for such a high profile children's charity?

Darkesteyes · 01/11/2012 15:45

Thats excellently worded Margery.

ha3782 · 01/11/2012 16:28

Hello Mumsnetters! I'm from the Icke forum but have lurked here since we got links to you a couple of weeks ago. I'm very impressed with what you're saying and unfortunately I think you'll see that despite it's reputation, the Icke forum members have been consistently correct about not only the terrible abuses but also the magnitude of the cover up that is needed to keep this from the general public. I hope you can see that "conspiracies" like this need people to be complicit without knowing they are involved. Many innocent people have been caught up in this so we need to offer them an environment in which they can talk. The true evil will come out eventually and the ones who are now annoying their friends by talking about this will be vindicated. Then you'll know what it's like to be a "conspiracy whacko" smile

If you are brave enough I think you should post the Tom Watson and the Max Clifford vids on Facebook. If we don't publicise what's going on then we will become part of the conspiracy ourselves! If people get upset with you for ruining Children in Need then perhaps suggest they give direct to a charity this year and give the BBC a chance to redeem itself over the coming months. Maybe donate some food or even just visit an old person in your area and do their shopping or something.

Jimmy Savile was a very dangerous man with serious connections. If you saw the Channel 4 piece yesterday you will have seen that there was no way his behaviour was a secret from the highest level.

If you have time to research Dunblane, Haute de le Garrene, Broadmoor and the political and charitable circles around them you will see just how far this mess goes.

I believe we are witnessing the biggest cover up in our history being played out in front of our eyes but seeing Mumsnet talking about it has made me feel much more positive so thanks.

MrsDeVere · 01/11/2012 16:35

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ha3782 · 01/11/2012 16:41

Re Jill Dando. Tom Watson posted this on Twitter.

gregcallus.tumblr.com/post/34500136975/jill-dando-john-yates-operation-oxborough

If I'm reading this right the conclusion was that the police knew she was being phone hacked but omitted it from the investigation and didn't follow it up. They also were spouting the "one rogue hacker" rubbish in public. That meant that they couldn't include it in the phone hacking enquiry because it would have raised questions as to why they didn't include it in the Jill Dando investigation. Have a read and see what you think. The decision to drop the investigation in 2009 was very strange. I've not really researched the whole story so not sure what the actual motive was however the Herald connects the story to Scottish gangsters:

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/jill-dando-murder-scottish-gangs-1088638

Did they hack her phone? Was it followed up properly by the police?

Barry George was acquitted and the murder's never been solved. Hence we are possibly witnessing another cover up play itself out.

ha3782 · 01/11/2012 16:44

MrsDeVere:

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9620223/Jimmy-Savile-He-was-the-tip-of-the-iceberg.html

Another cover up playing itself out?

If you have ten mins watch this:

RT is a proper channel on Sky. Not internet nutters.

MrsjREwing · 01/11/2012 16:48

HA you need to add [

either end of links

ha3782 · 01/11/2012 16:53

All the clues to this whole mess are from the MSM.

This is one almighty mess. Please watch this Channel 4 report by Paidraig O'Brien: www.channel4.com/news/broadmoor-savile-was-a-lunatic-in-charge-of-the-asylum

For all of the celeb rubbish that we are seeing from the MSM this is the first time they have stated that staff "knew" he was a "peadophile". This is very important legally speaking. It's not just internet tittle-tattle. Listen to Edwina Currie's "cryptic" message at the end about the power he held. Watch it and tell me that ministers couldn't have known. Now replace NHS/MoJ with BBC and will see how we've been controlled.

MrsjREwing · 01/11/2012 16:55

HA, your links don't work.

TunipTheHollowVegemalLantern · 01/11/2012 16:55

Edwina's message was astonishing. I wonder what else she will say.

ha3782 · 01/11/2012 16:57

Jill Dando police balls up: [http://gregcallus.tumblr.com/post/34500136975/jill-dando-john-yates-operation-oxborough]

Daily Herald link Dando Murder to Scottish gangsters: [http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/jill-dando-murder-scottish-gangs-1088638]

[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9620223/Jimmy-Savile-He-was-the-tip-of-the-iceberg.html]

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MSM state that staff "knew" he was a "peadophile": [http://www.channel4.com/news/broadmoor-savile-was-a-lunatic-in-charge-of-the-asylum]

ha3782 · 01/11/2012 16:57

D'oh!

MrsjREwing · 01/11/2012 16:59

sorry it is double ] each end of a link.

ha3782 · 01/11/2012 17:09

gregcallus.tumblr.com/post/34500136975/jill-dando-john-yates-operation-oxborough

Sorry, they're all good links.

Darkesteyes · 01/11/2012 17:09

Details on the second Exposure documentary on Savile which could air in late November Mark Williams Thomas has started to interview people for it.

www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/nov/01/jimmy-savile-itv-investigation?CMP=twt_fd

ha3782 i read Lenny Harpers long entry on Syvrets blog. Took 2 hours to concentrate on the aspects of it. Shocking and harrowing.

ha3782 · 01/11/2012 17:14

Darkesteyes. I'm trying not to get too despondent but I suspect the media on all sides will maintain a firm grip. Why did nothing come out during the phone hacking scandal? Why did this not come out before the Jubilee? Why did this not come out before the Olympics? Imagine watching that giant baby thing during the NHS bit on the ceremony. Imagine what the world would have thought about this country. It was held up by interested parties. And the abuse of children went on throughout.

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