Woman raped after getting kicked off bus at 3am

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Is this just a another shit example of the selfish society? Could the bus driver or one of the other passengers not just given her the 20p she needed for her fare?

news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16243388

Rape, not take.

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Someone up thread said there are two seperate issues:

1. The rape - where there is no-one to blame but the rapist

and

1. The sort of the society where neither the bus-driver nor the passengers have the compassion with which to help someone in distress. Doesn't matter that she was female - it does matter that she was in need of help.

But surely if we are to take into account everyone whose actions contributed to this woman being out in the street at this time of night we should add:

1. The lack of responsibility of a woman to ensure she has the money to get home after a night out.

Oh, I think the passengers who refused to spare 20p and the driver ARE clearly to blame. They are to blame for putting a fellow human being at risk for the sake of 20 flipping pence

If you really want to blame others aside from the rapist, surely the woman is also to blame for putting herself at risk for the sake of not bothering to check she had enough money with her.

I do not his this attack was her fault. But I think she is as much to blame for being stranded at this time of night as the driver and passengers.

Exactly knowitall.

The rapist is a scumbag for raping her. The driver is a scumbag for not letting her on the bus. The other passengers are scumbags for not giving her 50p.

*20p

The woman is not to blame at all. She may have dropped some money, she may have miscalculated, she may not have known what the exact nightfare was. That means that she was in need. Being in need is not to have any blame.

People who could have helped her, after she pleaded for 8 minutes to be allowed on, after she offered to go to a cashpoint to get the 20p, they put her at risk by not letting her onto the last nightbus at 3am. Her mother is not to blame in any way either, she tried to help her by driving to pick her up.

Ths scumbag who raped her is to blame, but the people who refused to help her when she pleaded for 8 minutes at 3 am are to blame for putting her at risk of anything that might happen to her after not letting her on.

I still think I would rather live in a society where people have the compassion to help others out so that people are not left stranded in situations like this.

Yes, she should have made sure that she had enough. Could be that she dropped a pound (or even 20p) on the way to the bus stop and didn't know she would be short. She might have thought she had the £5.

If it were your son, or daughter, or mother, or father - or you - would you hope that others would help out or would you just say that it was their fault if they were stranded? (keeping the rape as a separate issue).

Many years ago, I sprained my ankle badly in Paris, travelling back to Scotland on my own as a 17 year old. It was the kindness of strangers that made sure I got my foot x-rayed and then the kindness of other strangers who helped me on the rest of my trip home - on the train, the ferry, the train, the transfer to Victoria Bus station and all the way up to Glasgow. Yes, I shouldn't have been so "careless" as to fall down the stairs carrying a heavy suitcase but the kindness of many different strangers meant I got home safely.

Different scenario but same basic principle of showing compassion to others and hoping that others would help you as you would help others.

Of course its not the drivers or passengers fault she was raped. But knowing that rapists exist and the time of day this was, I think it says alot about society that nobody gave her the money. The driver or any passenger could have given it. Its not like it was much to give.

Exactly 20p, a small coin most decent members of society would be happy to give away so as not to let a person walk the streets at 3am, but unfortunetly no-one on that bus was caring or thoughtful so let her walk into the night, into the cold, dark streets not caring one bit about her safety.
The Rapist is Evil, the driver a heartless jobsworth & the passengers scum.
I should hope if i am ever in this situation, i never come across such heartless morons.
The woman in question is not to blame whatsoever-she lost 20p it happens but no-one was there to help her out in her hour of need

pumpkinsweetie Sat 09-Jun-12 13:11:54
"TheDreadedFoosa- rubbish yourself, it is people like yourself, with that attitude who are letting the country go to the dogs.
Next time you see someone in need help them and maybe you will learn something from it"

The only point im making is that i dont believe anybody " is letting the country go to the dogs" what a silly, defeatist, negative opinion to have.

I am saying that i see people helping other people all the time, that i have helped and been helped, that i dont buy this nonsense that we are a nation of nasty, selfish gits. I. DON'T.SEE.IT.

You, pumpkinsweetie may see that but i pity you and your hand-wringing.

My points are not about the attack this woman suffered, and i am not saying that its ok that a bus full of people refused to help someone for the sake of 20p, i am saying that it is too easy to get all "people nowadays are bastards, there's no community any more". I dont see it and i dont believe it so i am saying so.

How you manage to extrapolate from my posts that it is 'people like me' who would turn the othe cheek is nonsensical. But i would expect little else from someone who scores so highly on Daily Mail-Ism bingo...

" Great Britain isn't so gret anymore"
" as a country we are going downhill"
"people have lost simple human decency and manners and im glad i haven't been bought up like it!"

And this:
So what if she was drunk??-That does not give anyone the right to rape and it doesn't make her deserve it either! who on earth said that? Where?

Honestly, if theres anything thats taking the great out of great britain (barf) its people who can only see negative everywhere they look, and when they cant find it make it up instead. Div.

from what i understand, once kicked off the bus, she phoned her mother to collect her.

is that not attempting to take some responsibility to get home safely?

she offered to go to the ATM across the road to get the money - is that not attempting to take responsibility?

has no one on this side of the argument never ever been caught short trying to get home?
What will you do when and if your DD ever does something risky?

i have teens.
my DD would be instructed to do exactly what that girl did and phone me to collect her if she ever found herself in situation where she could not get home. I think she was attempting to do the right thing.
her mother was on route to pick her up.

she was using her contingencies exactly as i would have hoped my DD would under the same circumstances.

but yes, this rape was preventable. under these exact circumstances - the only thing that would have prevented that girl from being attacked and raped to within an inch of her life would have been for someone to pay the 20p fare that she was short of, and then, she would have got home, and would not have been walking on that stretch of road at the time that rapist was seeking a victim.

' i am saying that it is too easy to get all "people nowadays are bastards, there's no community any more". I dont see it and i dont believe it so i am saying so.'

Then why didn't any of teh 30 passengers give her 20p and why didn't teh driver let her on (the driver who according to teh bus company did not follow his training), why did she plead for 8 minutes and nobody intervened to help her at 3am in sub-zero temperatures on the last nightbus? You don't see it and you don't believe it because you prefer not to realise what a disgusting shower those people who refused to help her were.

It is not a negative opinion- i it was just MY opinion DreadedFoosa, then those people would have gave her the money.
In my area most of the people have lost respect and there are very few that will give help to those in need-it is true, it is happening.
Im not saying everyone is like this, but most people are nowadays and i think it is a shame.
The country is going down hill, that is my opinion not just that of a newspaper.
Look around you, people struggling with prams, shopping, the elderley being turfed of buses by inconsiderate drivers, pregnant ladies not given seats-i see it all around me-britain in decline

'Honestly, if theres anything thats taking the great out of great britain (barf) its people who can only see negative everywhere they look, and when they cant find it make it up instead.'

What is taking the great out of Great Britain is people who turn a blind eye to people in need, and who think it is her fault that she didn't have the extra 20p and who think the scumbags on that bus were not negative. Peopel who say everything in Britain is great, people are kind, and then read a story like this and still believe that.

Exactlly Claig, turning a blind eye is exactlly what i mean.

Its shit that nobody helped, yes.
But i dont think it is representative.
Have said before, i use london buses every day, i do not see this callous disregard as normal. It is the suggestion that it is normal that i am disagreeing with. The big sweeping statements about people in general.

Of course it is not normal. It doesn't happen every day or there would be a revolution, people would not accept this lack of safety and bus companies would be boycotted until they took people's safety into account at 3 am. But it does happen, just like the scumbags who battered teh 90 year old woman and ripped one of her fingers off trying to get her ring off her finger happens and children get savaged by neighbour's pitbulls happens and teenagers are knifed for their mobile phones happen and thousands of other horrific incidents happen, the majority of which never even make teh newspapers.

Our emergency services see what goes on. It is not happening everywhere, but it is happening too much, and unless we start condemning it and demanding change and more safety and changes to bus company procedures in cases late at night like this, then it will happen more and more.

Harsher sentences, a chance that more than 6% of rapists/sex offenders reported to the police will be convicted, more rights for and better and more cohesive approach to victims. Ensuring victims are protected from malicious gossip originating from the offender would also help - at the moment - it appears to me, while waiting for trial - a victim has no rights, general society has no rights - while the offender has a myriad of rights.

At the moment in this country - individuals more or less statistically have free license to rape - that is what needs to be tackled.

Not blaming the driver, not blaming the passengers, not blaming the victim, laying the blame firmly at the door of the rapist and punishing him accordingly - that's when we will see change.

soveryhard, don't you think it would help to have better safety on the streets, more police, and bus companies not allowed to refuse to take passengers who are 20p short on the last bus at 3 am? Don't you think there are any other factors apart from laying the blame at the door of the rapist and punishing him after the rape has taken place? Don't you think that there are also things that can be done so that people are not put at risk late at night on the last nightbus if they happen to find that they are just 20p short?

If a/the rapist thought there was a higher chance of him being caught, prosecuted and spending a long long long time in jail - then I think a lot of what you want would be achieved - the world would be a safer place.

And sadly - stranger, opportunistic rape, despite it horrendous nature - constitutes a very small proportion of rape - I believe around 3% although I wait to be corrected.

Serving makes the other 97% off men think the risks are so small it's worth chancing it and putting their victim through a lifetime of hell, safe in the knowledge they are far more likely to get away with it than not.

*something (not serving).

claig I totally agree with better safety on the streets, however where would the cutoff be for fares for the night bus? What of people who did not have the fare at all? Should they be allowed on to the bus? Or people who are waiting for a bus at 11pm without the correct fare, and with no cashpoint nearby? Would they have to wait for the last bus at 3am and then be allowed on? What of people 20p short at 9pm? What of people who regularly were 10p/20p short, and the bus driver was aware of this? Surely they could not be stranded? Where would you draw the line?

I think it deserves a parliamentary enquiry where they look at all of teh options and report on them. I personally would make clubs, pubs, restaurants, bars and thatres pay an extra tax to cover the small annual cost of thiose people whoi are short of their fares.

We are on teh whole an honest country, most people would still pay their fares. A few would not have enough money and some would blag the system. But rather than paying for MPs' bath plug, moats and duck houses, some of that money could cover the cost of lost fares after 11pm.

But it would need looking into further. As BoffinMum said, OAPs already have free bus passes and it doesn't bring teh bus companies to their knees.

What about places where there are no night buses? Free taxi fares?

No, just the provision of more nightbuses.

It's about making things better and safer and making sure that nobody, male or female is chucked off teh last nightbus at 3 am for being 20p short. It can't cover every eventuality but it can make things better by covering some.