Woman raped after getting kicked off bus at 3am

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Is this just a another shit example of the selfish society? Could the bus driver or one of the other passengers not just given her the 20p she needed for her fare?

news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16243388

I see it's rolling out the global guilt time
the driver
the passengers
all of us
society
everyone

yes if it makes you feel better to ascribe blame and harrumph about society, but the perpetrator is responsible

a lot of this is what ifs and supposition in this thread

what if driver delayed bus til she went to ATM?
what if as result of that delayed bus another person suffered, and was left standing alone at bus stop waiting for delayed bus...

Just to clarify - I absolutely blame the rapist - but those who blame the driver, the passengers, who think they stood by and did nothing - then I think need to look at themselves.

There is one person in my eyes to blame - and thats the man who did it.

You are being a bit hard, soveryhard. Does that mean you too wouldn't have helped her?

I would have - I posted further down we got stung for £50 helping strangers - but I also understand why people didn't.

If you want to blame someone other than the rapist then you need - in my opinion - to look at the wider issues and not just the people on that particular bus.

claig and co

when I used to go out till the early hours of the morning I would not have been able to have help this woman.

Why?

1/ Because I would have been drunk.
2/ I would not have had any money on me (I used to make sure that the money required for my trip home was in a separate part of my wallet.)
and
3/ I would have most likely been asleep.

There are no wider issues in this case. She was raped and savagely beaten because she was put at risk by being denied entry to the last bus at 3 am.

There is a reason why people help people with bys fare on teh last bus at 3 am, and why they may not help if the person just wanted to buy a packet of sweets. There is a reason that the excellent bus driver allowed foxinsocks' daughter onto the bus when she had lost her wallet.

Those people on that bus and that driver refused to help someone in need that night, which resulted in terrible consequences, and they should all hang their heads in shame.
The only people that need to look at themselves is those people and people who cannot understand that.

BoneyBack, in that case, you would not have been able to help, but had you just sat there, sober, watching wide awake with cash hangling in your pocket and not helped, then you would have done wrong.

claig

the world is not so black and white.

I used to give up my seat on the bus till I was told to fuck off by a pregnant woman.
I used to open doors for women with prams till I was asked if I thought that the woman looked incapable.
I used to give money to people on the street till I saw one disappear in to a shop and come out with a bottle of spirits.
I got involved in a fight between boyfriend and girlfirend outside a club but the girlfriend stabbed me.

These have not happened once but several times.

would I give money to someone @ 3 o'clock in the morning? See my previous post.

sorry claig xpost

I think the driver is much more at fault than the passengers, because teh passengers may have been asleep, may have been drunk and may not have been paying attention. But the driver wasn't, and it seems he did not let her get the 20p from a cashpoint or allow her mother to present the 20p at the end of the journey. It was him that the bus company said "did not follow his training". I don't believe he would have been disciplined for that and I think he should have allowed her on, just like the excellent driver who allowed foxinsocks' daughter on.

Right so if the driver is being abused on a regular basis - Yhats not a wider issue?? If the passengers were to scared to intervene - that's not a wider issue??

It's easy to point the Finger of blame at other people.

The blame lies with the rapist.

'Right so if the driver is being abused on a regular basis - thats not a wider issue'

I'm not interested if the driver is being abused on a regular basis, I am concerned that he didn't let this woman on for being 20p short of a £5 fare at 3 am on the last bus, and did not let her get the 20 pennies from a cash machine or from her mother at the other end.

I expect him to have the decency and humanity to put himself in her position and imagine what it would be like if he had to be on the streets in sub-zero temperatures at 3 am after the last bus had gone on near deserted streets.

It's easy not to care about the driver isn't it. Easy not to worry about the 94% of victims who never see a prosecution, easy not to concern yourself with the wider issues.

Maybe this would never have happened if society as whole cared more about each other.

Maybe it would have happened to someone else as suggested further down the thread, because the bus was late.

Who knows.

'Maybe this would never have happened if society as whole cared more about each other.'

What we do know is that no one helped her with the 20p needed to get on that bus, and the tragic consequences. Let's focus on what we do know, not all the possible things we don't know.

this happened because people ignored the wider issues.

The wider issues are important. Unless we address all of the problems that caused this (either the article or the rape) could happen happen again.

As someone with a (sadly) good understanding of the wider issues, i know things like this will keep happening until they are addressed.

Giving this girl 20p would have made someone else the victim.

You cannot stop everything bad happening. But what you can do is ensure that bus company policy is not to refuse anyone entry to the last bus for being 20p short, especially if they offer to get the money from a cash machine.

Doing something is better than doing nothing.

Yes Boney - he should never have harmed the boy, but neither should he have been subjected to months of taunting - 2 lives ruined. How sad.

That's treating the syptom and not the cause Claig, it wont make less victims, just different ones.

'Giving this girl 20p would have made someone else the victim.'

How can you be so certain, and do you think that that justifies not giving her the 20p?

I've already said that I would have given it to her - as you will read further down the thread - the police believe he was looking for a victim.

And yes - I believe there would have been a other victim - I've already posted that earlier.

Everyone being up in arms about this - let's find a way to stop this happening again, let's blame the driver, the passengers.

There are silent victims - every hour of every day, every story is tragic - but their voices don't get heard. They are just as important as this girl, their stories are just as horrific, just as tragic and far more frequent.

And yes doing something is better than doing nothing.

Anyway I'd better get on with housework rather than banging my drum.

I've been asked for 20p (or similar) by blatant scammers quite a few times. I say no.

Just wanted to point out that the rapist is to blame for the rape. No one is disputing that but the rapist did not refuse to allow the woman on the bus or refuse to lend her 20p. There are other issues that people are trying to discuss here and everyone just keeps trotting out 'the rapist is to blame' and it's not always relevant to the particular point that people are trying to make.

As you were.