Woman raped after getting kicked off bus at 3am

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Is this just a another shit example of the selfish society? Could the bus driver or one of the other passengers not just given her the 20p she needed for her fare?

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In fact they tell us they believe in competition. Then open up the night bus market and allow many more operators to enter and run smaller buses throughout teh night. Licence many more companies and let those who can succeed in providing a good service rise to the top.

Instead of teh quantitaive easing, make govt loans to small business entrepreneurs to buy vehicles and pay teh govt back. Get the unemployed employed, ferrying people across teh towns of the country, so that the night sector booms and people enjoy themselves and spend money in safety.

Free bus passes aren't paid for by the bus companies are they? I thoughtthw council paid for them - and to be honest - I personally would object to anything designed to protect the 3% minority of women/children affected by stranger assault.

I would far prefer to see the root causes tackled and efforts made to protect all women, men and children from assault/attack.

It wasn't about 20p, because I do believe he would have found another victim. It's about the fact men like this believe they can (and frequently do) get away with raping and assaulting people.

Most bus companies are barely scraping by as it is, where are all these small competitive bus companies going to come from?

'It wasn't about 20p, because I do believe he would have found another victim'

I don't. It was 3 am, there are not many people on the streets at that time. If there were, then they would have stopped him and the police would have been called.

Entrepreneurs. The bus companies make their profit during the day. People with initiative are inventive and create new successful business models.

But I am not an expert on bus management. Let a committee investigate all teh options and come up with teh best recommendation. But I think there is no way that anyone should be refused to get on teh last bus for a lack of 20p. Something needs to be done about thta, because the risks to their safety are too great to do nothing.

Even the police said he was determined to attack someone tgat night.

I cannot see how this would be workable. I live in an area poorly served by buses let alone night buses.

It also sounds very, not sure how to put it, unlikely to be a Conservative party policy...? Quite a burden on business. Some small businesses too. A bit nanny state even?

He may not have found another victim, at 3am, but rapist rape - he would have found another victim, at some point - what makes you believe she was his first victim? Personally I expect he has done this sort of thing before, possibly having gotten away with similar as date/partner rape.

People get raped and assaulted at all times of the day and night.

There is nothing wrong with nanny state. A&E ward are nanny state and are vital. When it comes to safety, spending on services for the public is more important than spending on duck houses.

The entertainment night sector can pay for the shortfalls, just as tey have to pay for music licences etc. An extra 1p on a pint would go some way to helping pay the cost.

'he would have found another victim, at some point'

If she had been allowed on that bus, if teh driver would have let her get 20p froma cashpoint machine or if her mother would have delivered the 20p to teh driver with a ribbon round it at her end stop, then she would not have been raped and battered to such an extent that her mother didn't recognise her. This should never be allowed to happen again. The bus company said that teh driver did not follow his training.

sovery - what is your experience of working with rapists/victims? you speak with authority and knowledge.

i have worked closely with a psychologist from rape crisis as a police officer. there are alot of myths about rapists and rape victims which simply are not true.

rapists fall into 1 of 4 categories.

Are any of the figures I quoted incorrect?

I have no intentions of sharing how I came to have done so much research and reading into rape on this thread because I am asked to.

I am as entitled to have my opinions as the next person.

Do you really believe that resolving the issues behind this one example is going to protect the majority of women, children and men who are assaulted?

The bus thing - it was just something i read about cancelling provision of bus passes for the elderly because of the cost v poor take up. I can't remember where I read it.

sovery sorry, i did not read any figures you quoted.

there is no need to be rude or aggressive - i did not say you are not entitled to an opinion, and i did not insist you reveal why the research - i merely wondered if you worked professionally with rapists or victims.
i ve done both, and still have a personal opinion, much like you say you are entitled to have.

my professional opinion is not what i was giving on here anyway - i was thinking as a mother to a teenage girl and as a mother to a son with special needs.

professionally speaking, this type of rape is the easiest to prove and this type of rapist most likely to come to police attention.

and professionally this is the area i would like to move into.

Stern Review

This provides a good starting point. I will add that the conviction rate once in court is 58%.

Im Sorry I'm just over cautious of being questioned - I've just done loads and loads of personal research. I have also previously has professional dealings with a rape crisis centre.

I don't mean Wikipedia type research either.

I'm genuinely concerned that this kind of rape is rare - and that a huge push and focus on this area - will detract resources away from the wider issue - and let's face it - resources are scarce enough as it is.

How does this mobile phone swipe payment work? Could we have machines on buses that read mobile phones and deduct the fare and are the phones linked to bank accounts so that funds will be in there or do you need to top them up?

This might be able to solve the lack of full fare problem as most people have a mobile.

its ok im sorry, i didnt mean to pry.

i think in this case the rapist could have fallen into 1 of 2 categories, without knowing more i cant say, but you are right - most rapists are not this stupid.

stranger rape is rare.
angry rapists are normally serial rapists and most likely to come to police attention.
opportunists are less rare...but still rarer than the other 2 categories.
i dont know what the answer is. i do think rape is massively under reported and i think attitudes need changing.

i can view it professionally in a much more detached way....but had the victim in this been my daughter i would have been gunning for a fair few people, not just the rapist.

Was there a reason why the victim didn't have enough money for the fare?

Sadly if the victim was your daughter - I think you'd probably be blaming yourself for not picking her up.

Not that I think for one single solitary second that the poor girls mother is to blame in anyway.

Soveryhard, I'd like to think that harsher punishments would discourage rapists but I do wonder how much of an effect it would really have. People still commit murder with a risk of life imprisonment or even the death penalty (in some countries)

It's not just punishment - it's the low chance of even being prosecuted that's very sad.

Again, I see no one blaming her mother. It was because of her mother that she was walking away from the city centre because her mother didn't like driving through. If her mother picked her up from the bus stop chances are she would not have been raped

The only person to blame is the rapist!!!

The only person to blame for the rape is the rapist. There are quite a few people that could be blamed for the fact that she was in the city, alone in the freezing cold at 3am.

Sorry in case you misunderstood my post - I don't think the mother is to blame - that's not what I meant, just that the mother probably did blame herself.