Woman raped after getting kicked off bus at 3am

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Is this just a another shit example of the selfish society? Could the bus driver or one of the other passengers not just given her the 20p she needed for her fare?

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bumbleymummy
There are quite a few people that could be blamed for the fact that she was in the city, alone in the freezing cold at 3am.

Yes there are and if you are going down that route one of them is the woman herself.

Do you disagree then boney?

I know a guy who now lives and works (as a bus driver in another part of the countryas a bus driver) on the 266 route.

he only got paid when behind the wheel, so spent hours sitting in the cafe next to the depot waiting for the bus to come in he was due to drive, he worked longer hours then was legal back in the days when they filled out there own time sheets rather then it being a machine, company policy (Metroline) was that all drivers fill in their time sheets in pencil so they can get doctored after to make them conform.

He got bullshit every day of the week, people jumping on the bus for free and trying to kick his door in when anything was said, people not having the money and begging to get on. I don't blame the driver he has too keep to the scedule theres a dumb fuck waiting for that bus to come in on time who isn't paid until he is behind the wheel.

I would only disagree if the woman herself isn't included in the list.

I mean he used to be on the 266 now is elsewhere but in the same job (must prove read I really must).

Have checked with busdriving 'd'h again.
He is allowed to allow minors on if they are short of change / lost pass.
Nothing else.
He said the drivers on the airport route are responsible for the money in the hopper and will get fired for being short/over.
He will get a written warning re this sort of thing, unless it is a minor.

Boney, I could be wrong but I think including the woman I'm the list of people to blame for her being alone at that time of night would be construed as victim blaming by some people.

bumbley

some people do see it that way.

My personal opinion is that if you blame the driver, passengers, yes you would also have to include the victim.

But it is not the victims fault, or the drivers or the passengers, it is the rapists fault.

This happened because there was a rapist waiting to rape. If the victim was someone else, we wouldn't even know - I'm not sure if that's sadder.

We only know about this because there is a sensational angle for the press to pick up on.

Sovery, I don't think anyone is blaming anyone other than the rapist for the rape itself.

soveryhard

That pretty much sums up my view (and others posters views) on this as well.

It's not a sensational angle. It's a desperately sad angle.

There are sins of omission as well as sins of commission - things you should have done that you didn't. Or things you allowed to happen that you could have stopped.

The driver and passengers could have prevented a vulnerable person being placed at risk. They chose not to - and now have her fate on their consciences. God forbid any of them are ever vulnerable and know what it is to need just a tiny act of kindness and to have that kindness withheld.

That's a good way of putting it Edam.

As Jeremy Vine said yesterday, 2/3 of the passengers could have contributed 1p each. They'll need to reflect on that .

The really sad thing is that the only person who probably doesn't feel any guilt is the rapist himself

But the discussion on here hasn't really been about that. It's more been about the tragedy that a vulnerable person (doesn't matter that she was a female and that it rested in her rape) was abandoned for want of 20p.

I'd like to hope that this was not an indictment on modern day society and was just bad luck that no-one on that bus was sufficiently aware to realise what was needed - a wee bit of compassion, common sense, altruism or even just simply "paying it forward".

Don't get me wrong, I think its terribly sad, although I'm guessing a bus full o drunk people just thought it was another drunk person arguing with a bus driver.

The bus driver was being a jobsworth.

I think it's even sadder, that this terrible rape and beating woul have happened - and no one would have known, it would likely not have made the press, if there wasn't an extra "angle" for the papers/news to pick up on.

This girl could have escaped - someone else could have been the victim, and that is not "newsworthy".

sovery, I think an appalling case like this would have been reported anyway.

I spent the day in court a few months ago - I was absolutely gobsmacked at what isn't considered to be newsworthy in this country.

Dd (age 11 but looks older) lost her wallet today. She didn't call me (grr) but got on the bus and because she didn't hve her oyster card was asked to pay £2.20. When she said she had lost her wallet, the bus driver let her on for free.

And this was London with notoriously rude bus drivers. I don't know what they were thinking in Nottingham poor poor girl

it's not their fault she was raped

No but it is their fault she was alone at 2am. And who would have complained if the driver had waited 2 mins for her to use the ATM?

I have given people money for fares. Why would anybody not?

Foxinsocks - there are good people out there - and to the nice bus driver.

All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing, as Burke said.

sashh the bus driver is on a timetable, it's not reasonable to delay the bus for one person.

It's not reasonable to assume that somebody getting kicked off the bus will get raped, it must be a very rare chance, sadly however it happened.

It is reasonable to delay it for a couple of minutes if it's the last bus. Or maybe people have an important plane to catch at home

The bus driver would probably get into trouble if he delayed the bus, he couldn't be expected to risk his job.

And to be fair - his milk of human kindness has probably been eroded over god knows how long of dealing with drunks and taking abuse while trying to do his job and drive the night bus.

To us this girl is a shocking, horrific example of can and did go wrong, but for him, at the time - she was probably just another pain in the arse drunk person trying to pull a fast one.

I have no doubt he has faced all sorts driving that bus, a short drive through the town centre where I live at 2am to collect someone told me, dealing with the drunken masses at that time of the morning is absolutely not something I would want to do.

The rapist is to blame. The driver will probably be living wig his conscience for the rest of his life, but I do wonder hat he goes through in the course of going about his job to make him be so hard hearted.

And re for evil to prosper all it takes is good men to do nothing - what about the 94% of victims who never see a conviction and thats those who report to the police.

I read somewhere if you take Into account the under reporting - chances of conviction are about 1.2%. male under reporting is estimated by 1 charity to be 10 times that of females.

If everyone who finds this story horrific started doing something to change the prevailing culture where rapists mostly walk free, contacted MPs, complained and generally made a pain of themselves, perhaps over time things may change.

That of course includes helping and contributing to charities that help victims, because if the campaigns to encourage victims to come forward worked - the scare resources there are would collapse under the strain.

We are all guilty of standing by and doing nothing, not just the passengers on the bus.

disclaimer - not all obviously some people are active in this area. 9i guess it should have said mostly*