Woman raped after getting kicked off bus at 3am

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Is this just a another shit example of the selfish society? Could the bus driver or one of the other passengers not just given her the 20p she needed for her fare?

news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16243388

That's been said lots of times bumbleymummy :)

trotting out,does that=everyone just agree with you
one could equally say theres being handwringing and trotting out of society gorn to dogs

let me emphases it
the perpetrator is to blame,he's responsible for his violent depravity
not the driver
not the passengers

I know prettybird - I'm one of the people who have said it! People seem to keep ignoring it though. 'Only the rapist is to blame' is not the answer to every point that is raised an I'm fed up reading it! :)

Has anyone said otherwise scottishmummy? Does that mean that we can't be annoyed/frustrated/disgusted at/with the driver and passengers for leaving a woman on her own, in the freezing cold at 3am?

I cannot believe anyone could leave a person alone in the cold at 3am.

I can't believe a lot of things in this world at the moment - which we are also ignoring and standing by. But that's a whole new thread.

But how many times do we see people in a vulnerable position and ignore them?

I can see how this occurred this is the night bus after all, most of the people on that bus would have been drunk. Some would be rowdy talking with friends others would have been in a state of semi sleep.

The bus driver probably had a whole journey of drunk people taking the piss and possibly had enough so when another person who's had some to drink turns up the only thing that probably crossed his mind was hears another one.

Hindsight is certainly great, do any of you give money to every person that has asked you because you never know what if something happens to that person because you didnt give them some change.

Here not hear by the way

It's all a bit the wrong way round though, this blame thing isn't it?

Had she been given the 20p she would have got the bus, not met the rapist.

Had the rapist not been around in the first place, it wouldn't have mattered if she had been thrown off the bus, she wouldn't have been raped - she would have been safely picked up by her mum.

The police have said the rapist was determined to attack that night - so someone may have/would have been raped, even if not at that particular time/in that particular vicinity.

Fwiw I would have given her the 20p - but that would be because I would help a fellow human being wanting to get a bus home at 3am on a midwinter night.

I was thinking about this last night, and i whilst I agree that the rapist is 100% responsible for his actions, I dont think that this gives the Bus Driver a clear conscience. It reminded me a bit of that toddler than got knocked down in China and no one wanted to help her. Imo even though they were not responsible for knocking her down, their failure to help made them almost as bad as the driver. Imo if the actions of the bus driver are deemed acceptable now, then somewhere down the road, will it be acceptable to walk past injured persons at the side of the road?

Was it Luther Martin King who said some thing along the lines of "The first question which the priest and the Levite asked was: "If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?" But... the good Samaritan reversed the question: "If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?"

Has there been any comment from the bus company? Presumably the drive did what he was supposed to, according to the rule book?

I've wondered that too, O2B.
Hopefully, they'll review their policy after this.

Just to point out, there are some rotten bus drivers out there, who are quite bullying when it comes to vulnerable people. I learned this when I was heavily pregnant, as several times a bus would stop a long way past the bus stop when they saw me flag them down with my huge bump so I'd have to run to catch up, and one time they waited for me to catch up and then sped off, presumably laughing. None of this sort of thing happened before I was pregnant. Recently a driver picked me up with my pram and then put his foot down on the gas really unnecessarily so the pram went rocketing down the bus (with me still holding onto it) really dangerously once I'd shown my pass. I believe all this was purely down to misogyny.

If that were the case here, there isn't so much difference between the rapist and the bus driver except in degree, n'est-ce pas?

The bus company said that the driver did not follow his training

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9320185/Driver-who-threw-student-off-bus-before-she-was-raped-ignored-company-policy.html

thank fuck for that claig because if it were their policy to turn someone off the bus for the sake of 20p in the middle of the night in winter i would have been really really surprised.

im more surprised that she people looked on for 8 minutes while she tried desperately to find the 20p.

i still think they are all a set of bastards. all of them.

The fact that she was looking for change/begging to be allowed on the bus for eight minutes unfortunately suggests that she was making a big fuss and had irritated both the driver and any other passengers who were aware of what was going on. This does not, of course, mean that she deserved to be raped, but it makes it understandable that the other passengers were less inclined to be helpful.

but the bus company themselves have said the driver did not follow his training.

if you read the article you see she was a law student, no suggestion that she was making a fuss, or pissed, and it was all caught on CCTV, i think its massively unfair to speculate that she was making a fuss - she is not here to account for her actions.

the piece says she was searching for the money, and had that driver followed his company policy she wouldnt have had to stand there for 8 minutes.

I know I said this before upthread, but here goes again, in more detail -

Let's suppose this woman had not been raped.

Let's suppose this was someone - anyone - trying to get home. It's 3 o'clock in the morning, and this is the last night bus home. The bus fare is £5, but this person has only £4.80 in their hand.

This person is not trying to beg money in the way that someone in the street might be trying to beg passers-by for the odd 20p.

This is someone who is not just trying to get home late at night, but who also suggests to the driver that if he will only wait, they will go to the ATM and get some money out so that they can pay the full fare. (So, not someone who is just trying to cheat the fare, then.)

This person might be you, or your daughter, or your son, or your friend.

The point is, this person is obviously in need. Of just 20p out of a £5 fare. And they are not an obvious scammer.

In this scenario, wouldn't most people just give the would-be passenger 20p to see them home?

If not, why not?

Princess - exactly. I would have given her 20p. And I'm a reasonably cynical London dweller.

What princess says. I hope they are thinking about their actions now and I hope it weighs heavily on their mind. Most likely not, more probably nothing to do with me, I didn't rape her, it was the rapist. Which imo is a sad state of affairs in this day and age.

A few months ago I was caught short on the Govan ferry, for which I needed £1.20 (my dh had stolen taken my last note out of my purse and forgotten to tell not told me). It wasn't an issue for me, as it's as quick cycling home on the north side as the south side of the river for me.

However, a wee Glasgow ned insisted on paying it for me. I was at myself for my own snobbish preconceptions and :) that there are still nice people out there.

A 22year old woman is thrown out into the freezing cold at 3am and ends up being raped and savagely beaten for the sake of 20 fucking p??

It beggars belief at the lack of simple human kindness here.

Cold,hard hearts or what ?? And we think as a society we have moved on
from the 19th century.

the woman wasn't rape for the sake of 20p

she was raped because some sick fucker wanted to rape somebody.

This may have been said before but, why could she not get on the bus and get off a few stops early for £4.80? Is it a fixed fare? Why do buses cost as much as £5 anyway? What a rip off.

The best option, if you got chucked off a bus, would be to phone for a taxi, if her mum was waiting at the other end, which she was.

But anyway, someone should have given her 20p or the bus driver should have let her off. I guess a lot of the passengers didn't realise what was actually going on though.

And the only person at fault for the rape is the rapist.

BUT... people should really think on. A mate of mine was not allowed back into a club one night as she went out for a breath of fresh air & to make a phone call, checking with the bouncer that it would be ok to come in again. Then the doorstaff changed shift and would not let her in. She wasn't the least but drunk or disorderly. She was not even allowed to go in to tell her friends that she was going home, and there was no mobile phone reception in the club. She got home safely but everyone was scared shitless unnecessarily because of one TWAT on the door.

Of course, the rapist is solely accountable for this dreadful incident.

But, the bus driver or perhaps another passenger could have done what should have been done, in this situation.

Many years ago, I was on a night out with a big group of friends. The bus took us from the venue, after the event and back to the place we'd all met and got on. Or so I thought. I was the last on the bus. The driver said 'this is where I finish, love' and I was no where near my car or indeed, anywhere that I knew. I was sober and said "surely, you don't mean for me to walk, from here? It's 2.30am!"

He said, he couldn't return me to the boarding stop and I'd have to get off. I was scared witless and had to walk nearly 2 miles, on my own, at that time in the morning. I was really scared. Didn't see any taxi's pass by and when I reached my car, I was sweating and breathing so hard, I had to calm myself before I could drive off.

I often think about that night. The "jobs worth" man who turfed me off and then drove off down the road in the direction I needed to go.