Official FEMA videographer's disturbing revelations on 9/11/2001

[Hummingbirds]

It is a story that could have been penned by Frederick Forsyth; yet the media maintain an eerie silence on the first U.S. Government official with direct exposure to the events surrounding 9/11 to blow the whistle.

As official videographer for the U.S. government, Kurt Sonnenfeld was detailed to Ground Zero on September 11, 2001, where he spent an entire month filming: "What I saw at certain moments and in certain places ... is very disturbing!" He never handed his 29 tapes over to the authorities and has been persecuted ever since. Kurt Sonnenfeld lives in exile in Argentina.

Read an interview with him: 9/11 FEMA videographer at Ground Zero goes public
(Also available here.)

"Do you genuinely think this is what happened?"

No, not completely.

But you still can't, or won't, explain why we should put any more trust in a nasty little man who claims to know the "truth" but has been playing a game of "lah lah lah I know something you don't know" for the last decade.

And as said before go and look at Wikileaks and Bradley Manning for how people who genuinely do know the dirty secrets of Governments deal with it.

Where was all this massive heat coming from?

There was a massive diesel tank directly under the WTC, and a car park full of cars with tanks full of fuel, Aviation fuel etc etc, it's not that hard to understand!

Anyone labelling me a "conspiracy theorist" is just showing themself up as braindead. The official government-sanctioned version of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory. No one at all claims there was a "lone gunman" - hence everyone agrees there was a conspiracy.

Yet more harrassment of government-insider whistleblowers:

"Austin, Texas (FF4) September 12, 2011 ? On Thursday, the CIA threatened the journalists behind "Who Is Rich Blee"? with possible federal prosecution if their investigative podcast reveals the names of two CIA analysts at the center of a pattern of obstruction and mishandling of intelligence that many feel would have stopped the 9/11 attacks.

Like FBI agent Ali Soufan and Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer before them, the podcast team, including John Duffy and Ray Nowosielski, are being subjected to intimidation and censorship by government officials over blowing the whistle on the true story surrounding two alleged 9/11 hijackers, Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar." Continued here.

What do they have to hide, I wonder?

Swiss scientists 95% sure that 2002 Bin Laden tape was fake

"Researchers at the Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence, in Lausanne, believe the message was recorded by an impostor.

...There was only a 5% risk of error in their conclusion that the latest tape is a fake, Professor Hervé Bourlard, the institute's director, told the Guardian yesterday. "It's an automatic system but it's very sensitive," he said. "It picks up things the human ear doesn't pick up.""

-- Yet the US intelligence told us in no uncertain terms it was genuine...

The Guardian

"Anyone labelling me a "conspiracy theorist" is just showing themself up as braindead"

I actually think that anyone expecting an answer from you is brain dead.

I mean you could explain why you trust a man who certainly knows thigns about the death of his wife, claims to know the truth behind over 3000 other murders (helping out with murders really isn't this guys strong point) and yet has kept it all hidden for over a decade while people like Wikileaks are really getting secrets out in front of people.

Or you could just post up more links and refuse to answer anything.

Your call.

But you're not helping yourself out here and you've already got a crowd who, as a rule, don't seem to buy every line of the official story.

"what do they have to hide I wonder?"

Ah, the convoluted circular lament of the conspiracy theorist, that the objections to the theory actually prove the theory right.

Yes, the Dalle Molle Institute thought it was a fake, although others thought it was genuine. However, even the DMI said that it would probably never be proven beyond dispute due to the poor quality of the recording. But, assuming it was fake, what is your point? That Bin Laden wasn't behind the attack or plotting more attacks? Do you also excuse him from Nairobi, Dar-es-salaam, Yemen, Mombasa or the earlier WTC attack of 1993?

The problem with conspiracy theorists (yes yes I understand your objection to the term) is that they always see an unresolved puzzle as being suggestive of something more sinister, and reject the deductive argument for a cumulative one; just as one element is effectively refuted, another pops up in it's place.

So who do you think was behind the attack, and why?

"So who do you think was behind the attack, and why?"

Actually I don't think that Hummingbirds has to answer that, falsifying the official account doesn't require that an alternative theory is put forward.

However that Hummingbirds can't answer any of the objections and questions about this FEMA man and his decade long withholding of "the truth" is very telling. Rather than actually explain Hummingbirds would rather skip on to yet more claims of conspiracy and cover ups.

Badgerspaws, if you had read the thread properly, you would have noticed I've already answered. And if you'd read the interview I initially posted thew link to, you would have also seen the answer to your question. Why should I waste my time on your red herrings and smears if you can't even be bothered to read the original post?

Here:

"Kurt Sonnenfeld: The case was dismissed based on a mountain of evidence that overwhelmingly absolved me (Nancy, my wife, had left behind a suicide note and a journal of suicidal writings ; she had a family history of suicide ; etc.). The prosecution was 100% sure of my innocence before requesting the dismissal of charge." www.voltairenet.org/9-11-FEMA-videographer-at-Ground

Confirmed here: "Kurt Sonnenfeld's wife, Nancy, dies of a gunshot wound in the couple's Denver home. Sonnenfeld was arrested and charged with murder, but prosecutors dropped the case several months later because of insufficient evidence." Denver Post

And here too: "He was jailed for several months in Denver and one day before his trial a judge dismissed the charges at the request of a prosecutor." Buenos Aires Herald

And here: "Prosecutors Thursday dismissed first-degree murder charges against former FEMA videographer Kurt Sonnenfeld in the early New Year's morning shooting death of his wife. Nancy Sonnenfeld, 36, died of a gunshot wound in the head after she and her husband had celebrated New Year's Eve together. Kurt Sonnenfeld told police that his wife committed suicide.
Prosecutors wouldn't comment on specific reasons for the dismissal, but the defense investigation found a note written by Nancy Sonnenfeld which police had not taken into evidence, said public defender Carrie Thompson." Rocky Mountain News

Now, care to debunk this for us?

Larry Silverstein's literally unbelievable luck. Watch that and tell me Building 7 wasn't pulled.

The claim in that youtube clip (tags include 'illuminati') is that not only was it a massive government conspiracy, it was a huge commercial one as well. It's by Wearechange, an organisation which believes that 9/11 was a joint government /commercial elite enterprise.

Exactly how many people were involved in this top secret plot?

Because Silverstein (the WTC7 owner and a Jew) went to the doctors that morning and not the WTC for breakfast as usual, he must have been in on it, and did it for the insurance payment. It's part of the wider 'no elite Jews were killed on 9/11 as they were tipped off' meme.

The comments underneath are consistently anti-semitic. "Jews are obsessed with faking the holocaust. Let's make the next holocaust real.", "why would Muslims attack a building to make a Jew millions" etc Mr Silverstein is rather dirty apparently.

Anyway you shouldn't be listening to Wearechange, as proper 9/11 truthers dismiss it as a Zionist 'controlled opposition' shill organisation, set up to point people in the wrong direction.

I think badgerspaw is spot on - especially the post of 14 Sept at 19:16:07.

Everyone knows about wikileaks now. If he has information, he needs to publish it globally in its entirety.

Someone has linked a holocaust deniers' video?

Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck yuck.

Hummingbirds -

The case against Sonnenfeld was reopened after cellmates told investigators that he had admitted murdering his wife.

I think that the anti-semetic stuff is contemptible; 10-14% of 9/11 victims were Jewish (in line with the NY population at the time).

A joint government/commercial enterprise? Why? Are you basing this on the spurious argument that they are the ones who have most benefitted from the event? Do you apply that logic to every event? Who do you think benefitted, and therefore must be to blame, for WW2 for example?

Please show me where I am guilty of 'red herrings and smears'. Which particular point of mine would you describe thus?

"Badgerspaws, if you had read the thread properly, you would have noticed I've already answered."

No you haven't, you've said that his footage is on YouTube, but not all of it is. The interview, which I have read, comes from back in 2009 and in it there's this bit:

"Voltaire Network: Last but not least: what will you do with your tapes?

Kurt Sonnenfeld: I am convinced that my tapes reveal many more anomalies than I am capable of recognizing given my limited qualifications. I will therefore cooperate in any way that I can with serious and reliable experts in a common endeavour to expose the truth."

And it says that he "is prepared to submit his material to the close scrutiny of reliable experts."

The clear implication being that he's got tapes that at that point in time he hadn't released. He was still trotting out the same line back in August 2010. So he's sat on the "truth" for a decade.

And then Wikileaks hit the big time and showed the world exactly how people who really do have prove of Government lies behave, and strangely enough Mr Sonnenfeld appears to have shut up since then.

So now just answer why he can't just release all of his material? Why is he still looking for experts to submit it to?

And don't post back with a link to something else, stay on subject.