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Long lost father and daughter engage in consensual sex

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Greythorne · 18/07/2011 21:14

long lost father and daughter reunited in adulthood experience genetic attraction disorder and finish up having sexual relationship

Ok, it's not recommended or desirable, but a crime? And punishable by prison?

Am I the only one who does not understand why these people (adults) are committing a crime and how the public is served by jailing them? It's not as if they are a danger to others.

Puzzled.

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LaurieFairyCake · 18/07/2011 21:17

They are a danger though if she got pregnant.

People who suffer from this need to seek help. Just like any other disorder decried by society (like paedophilia)

ThePathanKhansWoman · 18/07/2011 21:23

Really sad all round, i can't see the point of jailing people in such circumstances. Does anybody remember the tragic story a few years back, about a brother and sister who had married, not knowing they were related?.

I think it was the first time i'd ever heard of a super injunction, as they had been to the high court to obtain one. They divorced, heartbreaking apparently they were very in love , and totally devastated.

GingerbreadDad · 18/07/2011 21:33

I think it is because they are so genetically close that any children produced are very likely to have problems or to die. Whilst the gov can't stop people having children even when they really shouldn't they do get invovled in situations like this.

I am not sure on jail since they are both fully capable adults but I do think that they should receive some counselling or something.

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Greythorne · 18/07/2011 21:42

I agree counselling is probably needed. And I get that there's a danger for any children should pregnancy occur. But really, people unsuitable to be parenrs are having sex with other people who are unduitable all over the country.

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GingerbreadDad · 18/07/2011 21:52

I think it is because people who currently have genetic defects are not at fault, it is just an unfortunate occurrence. People who are purposefully negligent like heavy use of drugs whilst also a problem they do not produce problems which can span generations.

I also suspect it's a numbers game you can't prevent irresponsible people, but when that purposeful irresponsibility can affect not only the immediate children but continue on to affect their children (and so on) then that is something that should be prevented.

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Greythorne · 18/07/2011 22:17

Very true, GBD.

I wonder if either party agreed to be sterilised, they would co tinue to be prosecuted? I suspect yes, which is what makes it so odd.

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reelingintheyears · 18/07/2011 22:22

What a sad story..

Can't see what good it would do to imprison them though.

Or any othere punishment in fact.

NettoSuperstar · 18/07/2011 22:26

I've been sterilised.
I've never met my biological father, or brother (or sister).
I'm not planning to, but if I did, and wanted to sleep with them, what harm would I be doing?

maypole1 · 18/07/2011 22:57

If you have to ask you need to see a doctor

NettoSuperstar · 19/07/2011 01:42

Why Maypole1?
What harm could it do?

Legally I could sleep with my 'brother'. The brother I was raised with, and have no blood connection to at all.
I think that's yack/ewww/no way!

And lets remember that sleeping with cousins over and over and over is legal, and that is causing a problem, genetically........

uninspired · 19/07/2011 04:45

Sad case, not sure jail serves any purpose in this situ

CheerfulYank · 19/07/2011 05:01

Ew...I just....ewwwwwwww.

maypole1 · 19/07/2011 08:26

Just because something is legal dose not make it right, sleeping with your friends 16 year old son would be legal but not right , holocaust denial is legal but not right.

In my work I had come across a family were the parents were related and mum and both sets of grand
Arenas were related also the mum and dad split and dad re married another relative they have 7 children altogether and only one can talk 2 have mental Heath issues and the most disabled cannot see, hear and has a mental age of a 3 month old the boy is 24 the one who is the least disabled is 16 she was married last year to a cousin she has not right hand and her toes are mal formed

Like i said net to superstar if you don't know why its wrong to sleep with someone you are related to then you need help

The fact that someone can bring themselves to sleep with someone they have been raised with says a lot about the person and also those who haven't been raised it's about not acting on your feeling just because you feel a certain way one might meet their sisters oh for the first time and fall madly in love but yu don't act on it

Their are only a few cultures in the uk that practice this and they usually have other tabbo practices also

Sick,sick sick

PonceyMcPonce · 19/07/2011 08:31

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bottleofbeer · 19/07/2011 10:27

It's a bit of a myth that closely related people will automatically have kids with genetic defects. It's only if there is already an underlying genetic issue within the family and it's only more common in closely related people because of that, IE if one family member carries a certain defective gene, the chances are the other one will too.

AbsDuCroissant · 19/07/2011 11:40

I've heard about this before - apparently it can be quite common for people who discover long lost family members. It's known as Genetic Sexual Attraction article about it here

ManicMiner · 19/07/2011 12:47

There was a case of a mother and son doing the same thing a few years ago. It's creepy IMO and should not be allowed to go on.

StealthPolarBear · 19/07/2011 12:53

I don't think Netto os saynig it is OK, but if children are taken out of the equation, why does anyone else actually care?

Sariah · 19/07/2011 12:53

Because they are father and daughter and we do everything we can in this society to discourage fathers sleeping with their daughters, because it is not an equal relationship . He fathered her. If they had children he would be their father and grandfather. I can't believe people are saying incest is a good things, its just one step away from child abuse. She just happens to be a grown up child. Would that mean if my husband had sex with his 17 year old daughter, that that would be ok???? I can see why the attraction might be there but no good will come of it. What would you tell your children? I dont know about jailing them though I think counselling would have been better.

AMumInScotland · 19/07/2011 12:57

It's quite common - the fact is that the "incest taboo" - the thing that makes us say "Eww" - is something we learn when we are young and with people we grow up around. If you grow up not knowing your biological relatives, you don't feel any natural "Eww" factor at all when you meet them. Your head can say "Bad idea" but it doesn't have any backup from the "normal" revulsion at the idea.

Similarly you can feel the "Eww" factor with someone you have no genetic link to (like Netto above).

In fact there was a study of in in Israeli kibbutzim in the 70s I think, where the children were all raised closely together - very few of them would marry each other, because they "felt" like brothers and sisters even though they knew they were not related.

StealthPolarBear · 19/07/2011 12:58

No one is saying incest is a good thing, and FWIW everyone agrees this is not OK.
However, if they ahve been estranged all her life and so there is no power imbalance (or is there anyway?) then why should it be illegal?

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Greythorne · 19/07/2011 13:00

Westermarck effect.

It prevents children raised together from feeling sexual attraction.

Maypole1 : i do feel you have rather missed the point.

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reelingintheyears · 19/07/2011 13:01

StealthPolarBear Tue 19-Jul-11 12:53:47
I don't think Netto os saynig it is OK, but if children are taken out of the equation, why does anyone else actually care?

Yes,i agree and i think the papers should keep well out of it.
It's not public news it's a private matter.

FWIW i think it's wrong of the Father...he's the adult (although she is too)

He should have had more self inhibition and backed off.

reelingintheyears · 19/07/2011 13:04

And as long as they are made properly aware of the dangers of pregnancy then i think it's no one else's business.
Though i do the family will have strong feelings otherwise.

AbsDuCroissant · 19/07/2011 13:40

Now having read the article, I imagine (and it was hinted at), that the rest of the family feel rather betrayed/disgusted at it as well. I can't even begin to imagine what I'd feel if say, my daughter had a sexual relationship with my ex. I imagine it has terrible repurcussions on the surrounding family.

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