Very sad ... woman gave birth in toilets of a pub

[roisin]

and then apparently killed the baby

story here

I just can't comprehend it.

how very tragic for everyone concerned.

And although I don't know her personal circumstances of course, at 28 years old she really should have known better

So sad, what would drive a woman to do that!

How horrid That poor little baby.

I hope the mother gets the help she needs; to do something like that I can only assume she is in desperate need of some help.

what is this second charge of "child destruction"?

I wondered that too cupcakes.

Yes I wondered that, cupcakes, when I saw it on the news - I have never heard of "child destruction." Terribly sad.

Interesting charge..... just googled this:-

"Child Destruction" is from the 1929 Infant Life Preservation Act, which defines the crime as any willful act causing the death of a child capable of being born alive.

Devastatingly sad story though

Ds's birth mother was charged with the same offence
She has mental health issues...maybe this woman has the same????

So she's being charged with murder and child destruction. Was the child born alive or does it's immediate death bring in this second charge?

omg jayzmummy - I assume that was attempted child destruction?
Sorry to be so grim, only I've never heard of this before.

I suppose they're sticking 2 charges on her in the hope that at least one will stick.

Was the child destruction charge the one they used to use against illegal abortionists?

Thank you for explaining it to me.

OMG! !!

Was she fullterm????? What has the man got to do with it?

The man arrested was an employee of the pub, who found the baby - poor guy! In a belt and braces approach they took him in and questioned him for quite some time, before releasing him.

I thought in the UK the law doesn't consider neonaticide as murder? (on the grounds that woman can become unhinged by childbirth)

that is so sad *

how awful .

Tallulah, I think infanticide is a defence to a charge of murder - I think (though someone please correct me if I've remembered this wrongly) that you need to show some kind of PND/post-partum psychosis to get the charge reduced to infanticide, otherwise it would be murder.

though it's pretty hard to imagine a case where the fact of the child being killed isn't evidence enough in itself of the mother's unhinged state of mind.

Agree it very hard to understand how someone that age could have done this.