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unclemystery · 02/09/2026 21:01

Because my brain is mush after much searching!
I’m using ancestry. My gran had 2 siblings, a sister and a brother. Her sister popped up instantly via the hints. Nothing for her brother. I’ve searched every which way and confirmed names with family
I have his name but not his DOB, and his wife’s first name
it’s like he never existed but 2 family members have both confirmed he did and his wife’s first name
any other ideas? I’m happy to share names as I have NC!

he doesn’t come up as a son to my grans parents either, I didn’t know he existed until I was told as he’s so absent from the tree Confused

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Liverpoolxxx · 03/09/2026 12:42

ElizaMulvil · 02/09/2026 21:34

Re the census, people can be absent for all sorts of everyday events- staying with a relation eg. Names are not straight forward, many people give a pet name instead of their legal one. Others just lie ( because they don't want to outed (they've lied to their spouse re their age eg ) or the official misunderstands the situation, thinks the grand children are their children etc . Sometimes you may have expected them to eg in London but they've returned to eg Ireland. I've had all of these. Even a mistake on a birth certificate where relative gave her mother in law's name as the mother instead of herself! I used to naively believe official documents - not anymore .

I’ve had this as well. My mums family is from the East End of London with a very common surname. There is more than one tree on Ancestry showing great-aunt of mine as having been born there. I can understand why as it’s expected and the records match. However I’ve seen her birth certificate and she, and a younger brother, were born in Glasgow.

TheSquareMile · 03/09/2026 13:01

unclemystery · 03/09/2026 12:34

Dec 1944

For December births, it's useful to also look in the following quarter, so in this case, Jan-Mar 1945.

The entry is when the birth was registered, so some late December babies show up in Jan-Mar, as that is when people could go to register the birth.

sashh · 03/09/2026 13:40

unclemystery · 03/09/2026 10:06

Thank you, I’ll pass that over
he is waiting on some records but there’s an asbestos issue(!) and records have been moved
its just how to find out if his dad was a twin, if the twin is still alive and also who the father was. Believed possibly a soldier

Twins have their time of birth on the birth certificate. I don't know if that could be useful.

FoundAUserNameDownTheSofa · 03/09/2026 19:34

unclemystery · 03/09/2026 11:56

I’ve just found the page and no, doesn’t seem to be anything. My auntie is adamant my gran had twins (she’s the only one in the family that knew anything) but…

I have found that family stories usually have more truth than you’d expect. Maybe she had twins another time that she also gave up for adoption? Maybe she had twins but one was stillborn (and they wouldn’t necessarily have told her?).

Another2Cats · 04/09/2026 07:36

Liverpoolxxx · 03/09/2026 12:42

I’ve had this as well. My mums family is from the East End of London with a very common surname. There is more than one tree on Ancestry showing great-aunt of mine as having been born there. I can understand why as it’s expected and the records match. However I’ve seen her birth certificate and she, and a younger brother, were born in Glasgow.

I've been guilty of something similar in the past as well.

I found a Mr X who married a Miss Y and they had a child Z in Gloucestershire.

The extended family had lived in Gloucestershire for a long time so I thought that I had the correct people.

However, then, totally out of the blue, someone on Ancestry messaged me and said that I had that part of my tree wrong. I was so grateful that she reached out to let me know about my mistake.

It turned out that there was a separate Mr X who married a Miss Y and had a child Z but they lived in Oxfordshire. It turned out that the two Mr Xs were cousins with the same surname and the two Miss Ys were also cousins (or second cousins) with the same surname.

And they both named their child Z.

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Stopping to think about, I'm always grateful if anybody challenges me on anything that is on my tree as it ensures that I go back and look at it again and either realise that I've made a mistake or I'm able to say, no, I am correct.

Something like that happened with my 3x great grandfather born in 1828. A person I was messaging on Ancestry happened to mention that other trees showed him as having different parents (distant cousins of his actual mother) and asked "Do you have sources to correct that record?"

That prompted me to go back and look at how I arrived at my decision and shared the baptism records and later census information about not only him but also the other men with the same name born locally around the same time that I had relied on.

This all showed that it was indeed the correct man that I had in my tree. Again, like with the example above, most of the extended family lived in Gloucestershire but this branch of the family had moved to Wiltshire and he only then later moved back to Gloucestershire.

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But, having said all this, I'm always wary about saying anything to anybody else about their tree not being correct. I'm always happy to be told that I'm wrong, but I'm not sure that everybody feels that way.

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