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We don't know how lucky we are. Shocking in the 21st century

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Imdunfer · 29/09/2026 17:05

I'm reading a book where something happens with a Dalit (Untouchable) person which I thought was unrealistic for the 1940's when it was set. So I looked it up and found this. It was written in 2022, but I don't expect much has changed since.

It's completely shocking how these women are treated. Many are essentially slaves paid only in clothes and food (which they have to rest out of separate bowls than the ones they say for the family "employing" them.

We really don't know how lucky we are, do we? By that I'm thanking my lucky stars, not suggesting that we don't fight to put right wrongs in this country.

feminisminindia.com/2022/05/03/caste-and-gender-in-paid-domestic-work-in-india/

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ShutupLwren · 09/10/2026 12:32

Very interesting read, thank you!

Women are just treated disgustingly everywhere aren’t they?

When you look at working class jobs that are typically for men and women, for men it’s considered building work. For women, it’s working in a care setting.
If you look at tradesmen, often your plumber is able to tile, your plasterer able to do joinery, your electrician is probably competent enough to do other building related jobs.

When women who predominantly do care work (not including nursing) they will come under the umbrella of a carer. In that role they may care for the elderly, the disabled, those at the end of their lives, those with learning disabilities and challenging behaviour, mentally unwell and physically violent people, those with medical conditions who need feeding tubes or have stoma bags they can’t attend to themselves, those with extreme physical disabilities, the list is endless. I have as have most the colleagues I’ve worked with worked across the board doing those jobs. All NMW.

The jobs are completely different and whilst you need empathy, kindness, a strong stomach and to be physically capable, one NVQ (usually health and social care) covers all of the above. You aren’t any differently paid for your skills in each situation like a man in the building industry is.

How I treated my dying patients, right until the moment they had their last breath was very different from how I had to treat my clients attending special needs discos, but both required me to be professional. Look at recently the man with 2 carers threw a baby into a crocodile enclosure I believe? Days at the zoo may look like an easy job but if you’re not 100% on the ball, incidents of the most dangerous nature may occur.

I believe support work is marginally better paid than nursing home work because more men do it.

But because it’s a predominantly female industry the skills are being paid for separately. Unlike trades who can often do a plethora of jobs just like a carer can, they can demand a higher rate and different rate for different skills. A carer who also has to employ different skills and trust me, de-escalation is a skill, bedbathing 60 disabled elderly people solo within 2 hours is a skill, just one nobody feels is worthy of real payment or respect.

GaIadriel · 18/10/2026 02:53

I work in construction. Nothing stopping you. It's much more dangerous than being a carer though.

sawdustformypony · 18/10/2026 21:42

My son is a just qualified carpenter. But he works for a small firm. If his boss wants him to do tiling, concreting plastering or roofing he pitches in. Same job same pay.

GaIadriel · 19/10/2026 20:30

Unless you're solely doing small domestic jobs you can't usually just jump from one thing to another either. Companies need to see your qualifications and will have rigid risk assessments and SSOW in place. If somebody chops their arm off with a grinder or buzz saw and it transpires that they only trained as a decorator all hell will break loose and they'll probs have good grounds for a claim.

GaIadriel · 19/10/2026 20:37

sawdustformypony · 18/10/2026 21:42

My son is a just qualified carpenter. But he works for a small firm. If his boss wants him to do tiling, concreting plastering or roofing he pitches in. Same job same pay.

Hopefully he's been trained properly in working at height! I'd not bet on it though considering hiw many roofers I see daily without harnesses on.

GaIadriel · 19/10/2026 20:42

Working with concrete is lethal too. I see load of guys using breakers without respiratory gear on or completely disregarding the confined space regs. Silica dust is real nasty shit. I won't even consider working with it without the proper gear. Sadly many do and by the time they can't breath 20 years down the line their former employer is a distant memory. Companies know this so many don't give a shit as long as they can pass all the HSE inspections.

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