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MrWisdom · 02/09/2019 14:03

If I rejected a pay offer 3 times when I knew I wouldn't get a better one then I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't get one and I couldn't blame any one else for it. Yet Parliament has done this with the Brexit Withdrawal Agreement (WA) and many MPs who voted to reject it are moaning about it and blaming the government for it. If MPs continue to reject the WA when there is nothing else on offer then they will get No Deal and so will the people. It's obvious that Brexit has split opinion and no further referendum or General Election will change this. The only decision to be made now is Deal or No Deal. If you want a Deal then write to your MP with this message and urge them to support the WA. It's your right and your country.

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MrPan · 02/09/2019 14:06

Well not really, that ghoul JRM admitted that a 2nd referendum would reverse the first. This is because we now are better informed of the shit show involved and how a nasty posh fascist would sell us down the river to Trump and the U.S.

So Revoke is the ONLY sane option.

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/09/2019 16:09

I'm increasingly of the opinion that no deal is a better idea. Tear the plaster off, have a few utterly dreadful years, beg to be let back in tail between our legs. Lovely consequence of hopefully seeing the Tories for the venal, self-serving arseholes they are, moving to new, centrist uplands.

If no deal wouldn't cause many deaths that is.

Songsofexperience · 02/09/2019 16:14

Or a lasting authoritarian regime....

I'm worried about ever letting go of democracy. We never know when we might get it back.

FinallyHere · 02/09/2019 16:16

Another vote for revoke as the only sane option

Unless, of course, you have plenty of options to avoid the initial chaos and would indeed benefit from us becoming an off shore tax haven

fedup21 · 02/09/2019 16:31

Revoke is the only sane option.

MrPan · 02/09/2019 16:33

Utter naivity MrsP. WTF do you mean by 'rip the plaster off'?

Bastards like these tories won't be abiding by the required rules. Gove made that pretty clear on Marr, and history indicates no-one ever gives up power IF they can physically avoid it.

Ylvamoon · 02/09/2019 16:38

So now one fancies BoJo as the big saviour?

twofingerstoEverything · 02/09/2019 18:55

Admit Brexit is a steaming pile of shit and revoke.

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MrWisdom · 02/09/2019 20:09

Excuse my ignorance but who is JRM?

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Socksontheradiator · 02/09/2019 20:12

James Rees Mogg

Jason118 · 02/09/2019 20:46

If we leave with a deal it's only the start of Brexit. If we leave with no deal it's the start of Brexit, only from further back. The quickest way to get over Brexit is to revoke.

Socksontheradiator · 02/09/2019 20:55

I just looked, and my MP voted for the WA each time.

fedup21 · 02/09/2019 21:37

James Rees Mogg

??

Not Jacob?!

Socksontheradiator · 03/09/2019 06:15

Whoops. Yes Blush I know that. My kindle didn't Confused

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MrWisdom · 03/09/2019 11:42

Did you know that Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson voted FOR the Withdrawal Agreement at the 3rd attempt under Theresa May? If more MPs had done the same we wouldn't be seeing this farce now, we would be doing real negotiation with the EU.

Lots of us are saying revoke and talking about a second referendum. You can't do that just to suit some people and against the Constitution.

The fact is that there are lots of different voices on TV, in the papers, protesters outside Parliament mostly talking over each other. For the men/women in the street like us we are not getting a look in. Try contacting the BBC. I have. All you get is an auto message. Organisations like that can pick and choose to suit themselves. My point is that the only voice we have is our MPs.

I'm convinced that there is only one alternative to No Deal and that is Deal -just like Noel Edmunds. The EU is not going to change its position -there's 27 of them against 1 of us. Our MPs either ignore this fact or they've lost sight of it and act like idiots and you can see the result -a lunatic asylum.

So I've Emailed my MP urging her to support the Withdrawal Agreement to try to get Deal rather than No Deal -this is the only thing the public can do. If MPs choose to ignore us they do it at their own risk and I believe No Deal is a big risk. I'm urging you all out there to do the same -send an Email or write a letter. Tell your friends as well.

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MysteryTripAgain · 03/09/2019 11:57

If I rejected a pay offer 3 times when I knew I wouldn't get a better one then I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't get one and I couldn't blame any one else for it

If the offer is worse than what you already have does it not make sense to reject it every time?

Jason118 · 03/09/2019 12:26

Absolutely, so we should revoke article 50 and remain on the best terms! I knew you'd see the light eventually 😁

MysteryTripAgain · 03/09/2019 12:52

I knew you'd see the light eventually 😁

You forgot that UK had already voted to leave before the negotiations started. However, a general election may not be far away. If people have changed their minds they can vote for the pro leave or pro remain parties as they choose

jasjas1973 · 03/09/2019 13:01

If people have changed their minds they can vote for the pro leave or pro remain parties as they choose

Not that simple though is it? total votes wont count, just the number of MPs, Tory vote could be split by the bxp, likewise LD and Lab could cancel each other out...
We end up with a hung Parliament and the merry go round continues.

I struggle to comprehend why we don't get another referendum, take the decision out of the hands of Govt/Parliament and choose between the WA and Remain, two deliverable options that will bind MPs to the public's decision.

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MrWisdom · 03/09/2019 13:44

If I rejected a pay offer 3 times when I knew I wouldn't get a better one then I wouldn't be surprised if I didn't get one and I couldn't blame any one else for it.

I previously declared the above and no more, MysteryTripAgain and Jason118 . You can't take the analogy too far. We are leaving the EU 31/10/19 that is the constitutional fact. The only decision to be made is Deal or No Deal. Which do you think is best?

jasjas1973 is right in one thing. If we have a General Election we might end up with a hung Parliament and the merry go round continues. I disagree though with his suggestion for a fresh referendum. You can't have a referendum to suit only those who want to remain or leave under the Withdrawal Agreement. That means you ignore people who might want to leave with No Deal. MPs are already bound to deliver Brexit. All they have to decide is do we leave with a Deal or with No Deal?

I think the Deal Theresa May negotiated is not perfect but it's better than 'crashing out'. If the WA is accepted, we straightaway have advantageous agreements about fisheries, for one example, and we have the Transition Period during which we will be on solid ground for negotiating trade rather than the speculation we have in this self-imposed limbo.

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twofingerstoEverything · 03/09/2019 13:58

That means you ignore people who might want to leave with No Deal.

So what? In what other scenario would you offer people a choice between something damaging and something catastrophic. Anyone who thinks no deal is not going to be catastrophic needs to do some reading. They could start with the Operation Yellowhammer report...

FinallyHere · 03/09/2019 14:36

What focus there is appears to be on the short term pain.

The really serious issues will come when we are rule takers, with none of the power we used to have for opt outs.

Mistigri · 03/09/2019 14:43

We are leaving the EU 31/10/19 that is the constitutional fact.

Unless the law changes.

Some of us are looking forward to seeing a lot of humble pie on the menu this week.

Mistigri · 03/09/2019 14:45

I think the Deal Theresa May negotiated is not perfect but it's better than 'crashing out'

Shame so many of the current cabinet voted against it on at least one occasion then!

MockersthefeMANist · 03/09/2019 14:46

We are leaving the EU 31/10/19 that is the constitutional fact.

Bugger all to do with the constitution, it's a treaty, and it says we can Revoke with 3 seconds to go if we want to.