Interesting stuff on remainvoter.com

[Bougie]

My DD told me about this site, (Remainvoter.com) it's non party political and is run and funded by volunteers. Anyone else seen it? Most interesting thing is a blog post about changing politics rather than blaming politicians who are caught up in the present system. I agree since I am just fed up to the back teeth with the whole thing and hardly know who to vote for to get any common sense or decent behaviour anymore.

it's non party political and is run and funded by volunteers. Anyone else seen it?

Just had a quick look at (remainvoter/Mark Alexander) and linkedin - they claim to be non-party political, but they are retweeting Liberal Democrat membership cards.

The board members have each written a short paragraph about themselves. I find it odd that Mark Alexander doesn't mention that he lives in Milan with his family (he mentions it on linkedin/elsewhere). Surely, one of the main benefits of staying in the EU is the opportunity for UK citizens to live and work in other member states - so why does he go out of his way to conceal this information about himself on remainvoter.com?

On the other hand - I find it very refreshing that one of the other board members says she marched with 400,000 people on the People's Vote March ... not 1 million, as claimed by others.

{On the other hand - I find it very refreshing that one of the other board members says she marched with 400,000 people on the People's Vote March ... not 1 million, as claimed by others.}

Pathetic really. Bleating on about the number of marchers while ignoring the fact that world leaders and economists think that the whole Brexit project is close to insanity.
Maybe Clavinova would like to come up with effective solutions to prevent the financial disaster that is about to hit the UK?

1tisILeClerc
Maybe Clavinova would like to come up with effective solutions to prevent the financial disaster that is about to hit the UK?

Looking beyond Europe??
They've been quite busy at DIT this week;

26th April Gulf Times

"Qatar and the United Kingdom have signed a number of bilateral agreements, including the Qatar Central Bank's donation agreement to the UK's King's College to establish a Qatar Centre for Global Banking & Finance within King's Business School."

www.gulf-times.com/story/629853/Qatar-UK-sign-bilateral-agreements-on-occasion-of-

"Both the sides also signed a membership agreement between Qatar Development Bank (QDB) and Innovate Finance's international hub, the first of its kind"

"Qatar Day is an opportunity to showcase the UK's world-leading financial services sector, and use our industry expertise to support Qatar in their ambition to become the Middle East's global hub for banking and finance," the British minister said."

"Qatar is proud to be a hub for the UK companies doing business in the Mena region and a link for trade between the UK and Asia."

"Qatar is one of the largest investors in the UK with more than £35bn investments in the British economy"

"Qatar presents huge long-term opportunities for the City of London and the UK's financial services industry."

25th April

"The fastest growing export markets for the UK are in Asia"

www.gov.uk/government/news/emerging-markets-dominate-uks-fastest-growing-export-partners

"Figures released by the ONS (24th April) show most of the UK’s fastest growing export partners in 2018 were from emerging markets across the world."

"Key markets include India (up 19.3% to £8.0bn),Taiwan (up 40.8% to £2.8bn) and Nigeria (up 18.3% to £2.7bn), which were significantly above the overall UK export growth rate for 2018 at 2.7%."

"Other notable fast-growing export markets were Thailand (up 17.8% to £2.2bn) and Kuwait (up 14.1% to £2.5bn)."

"Research by HSBC finds approx.70% of future world growth will be from emerging economies."

24th April

"The Department for International Trade hosted the 5th UK-UAE Joint Economic Committee (JEC), the first for four years, at Standard Chartered’s HQ in the City."

"The UAE and UK affirmed their commitment to continue deploying UK Export Finance’s £9 billion market capacity to support British exports to and investment in the UAE"

www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-hosts-5th-uk-uae-joint-economic-committee-to-boost-bilateral-trade--2

Funny that you don’t compare our amazing trade growth with developing nations to our current £275 billion exports to the EU?

Or how we could double our trade with all those countries you mentioned for example and it would still only be equivalent to 13% of our trade with our nearest neighbours?

{"Qatar presents huge long-term opportunities for the City of London and the UK's financial services industry."}

So, London financial services may get a boost. Shame that the UK government has no realistic plans to spread the wealth to the rest of the UK.
There will also be a 'gap' of several years before new trade and tariff agreements can be established. Maybe the UK gov should make a positive move and decide something because the last 3 years have been spent trying to define the question, never mind look for an answer.

{"The fastest growing export markets for the UK are in Asia"}
For which the EU will already have a foothold and trade deals either complete or in the pipeline. The UK will be starting from the bottom and negotiate with the EU (and others) to get a toe hold.
Shame the UK gov are still playing tiddlywinks.
The WA has to be signed before any negotiations can start as the number of things the UK can produce that are unique and not already covered by EU membership will be very few. Any activity that the EU is currently involved in, that the UK wants to do, will need negotiation with the EU (WTO rules as all interested parties have a seat at the table).
Not so easy.

ContinuityError
Funny that you don’t compare our amazing trade growth with developing nations to our current £275 billion exports to the EU?

Are you suggesting that the EU will stop trading with us?

Every time I look at the news and media section of one of the UK's ports - there seems to be a new shipping route via Europe.
UK research and development is doing exceptionally well, financial services seems to be secure...

^"Secretary of State for International Trade, Dr Liam Fox, said:
Today’s figures show the rapidly growing demand for British produce in some of the world’s fastest growing markets."^

"By 2030, Asia will represent 66% of the global middle-class and 59% of consumption, highlighting the need for British businesses to be reaching out to these markets now."

"With this is mind we need to start thinking about markets which will dominate the centre of the world stage in years to come and to make sure we are operating there with success."

1tisILeClerc
So, London financial services may get a boost.Shame that the UK government has no realistic plans to spread the wealth to the rest of the UK.

transportforthenorth.com/response-chancellor-discusses-economic-potential-npr/

April 25 -"The £39bn Northern Powerhouse Rail project will be a priority focus in a crucial review of government spending over the next five years, the chancellor has said."

"Chancellor Philip Hammond told the House of Commons treasury committee that the next Spending Review–expected in the autumn– would have a “laser focus” on improving regional productivity, with the modern industrial strategy “at the heart” of the plan."

From the Qatar article;

“Qatar’s considerable investments have created jobs and prosperity across the UK."

"Both the sides also signed a membership agreement between Qatar Development Bank (QDB) and Innovate Finance's international hub, the first of its kind." "Under the agreement, Innovate Finance renews its commitment to supporting the development of the FinTech ecosystem in Qatar."

Feb 2019
UK world leader in fintech

UK fintech Investment hits new highs as industry matures ahead of Europe

www.altfi.com/article/5057_uk-fintech-investment-hits-new-highs-as-industry-matures-ahead-of-europe

{April 25 -"The £39bn Northern Powerhouse Rail project will be a priority focus in a crucial review of government spending over the next five years, the chancellor has said."}

That's all very cute but what the hell have the UK governments been doing for the last 40 odd years and what has stopped them doing this at any time over that period. It has nothing to do with being a member of the EU.
They have been waffling on about a 'Northern Powerhouse' for many years, and still it is 'a possibility for the future' rather than money being paid to workers to actually make something happen.

{"With this is mind we need to start thinking about markets which will dominate the centre of the world stage in years to come and to make sure we are operating there with success."}

We need to start thinking is far too late. Any project takes years of 'lead time' and the UK could be leaving in June.

Are you suggesting that the EU will stop trading with us?

Not at all. But leaving the CU and SM raises a whole lot of barriers to trade, doesn’t it?

And as for crowing about how well the UK is doing trading with developing nations - that’s all been done whilst being a member of the EU, so it’s not as if EU membership has stopped us opening up wonderful new markets, has it?

yep, funny how Remainers always quote the magic 'million' number for their 'stop democracy' march - when most sources quietly admit it was way less than that.

Yes, funny how 'leavers' say they want to leave the EU but have no bloody clue what they DO want and absolutely no idea how they might get it. Arguing the toss over the numbers attending a rally is obviously far more important.
At least Farage did the decent thing and only had a hundred or so on his 'epic' march.
The WA is largely a 'list' of treaties and regulations with proposed changes (to be ratified as part of the PA) and this runs to 585 pages. You would have thought the 'Leavers' could come up with a list of things they actually want to leave, rather than spouting sheer bollocks. I would suggest say 5 pages worth of single line listing should get you most of the way there.
It would be nice to think the 'Leavers' had an actual plan, but it seems not.

I read the police unofficially estimated 1.5 million and the German press estimated 2 million. People who had been on previous big demos (e.g. the 700k one) thought it was way bigger in comparison. Where on earth did 400k come from?

Anyway, back to RemainVoter - they say they will email you one week before the election with recommendations for the candidate most likely to "win" for Remain, together with a piece of data-based evidence supporting that recommendation. (I’m torn in the West Midlands because Labour have two fairly decent top candidates but Change is leading with Stephen Dorrell who I’m not thrilled about. But I don't want to vote for Brexity Corbyn and his pals.)

{Where on earth did 400k come from?}
It comes from the 'Leavers' who would prefer to talk crap rather than work out a plan. They are trying to deflect from the reality that they have screwed the UK by voting for non existing unicorns.

If they're going to rewrite history, they could at least try to be credible.

Do do we vote Lib Dem then? Genuine question!

Hi Billy, this site gives all the candidates - whocanivotefor.co.uk/elections/europarl.2019-05-23/european-parliament-uk-elections/ and this site offers to advise you who to vote for tactically to get a Remain MEP - www.remainvoter.com/

I'm waiting to see which party they advise for my region.

I have been on all the marches. I don't quite know what a million people look like, but I know that it took me 3 1/2 hours to get from Marble Arch to Parliament Square because the crowd was so large. It only became quicker past Trafalgar Square because it had taken so long, the speeches were over and people were leaving. Even then people were still arriving 20 minutes after we had. Contrast that with Farage's 2 million ten men and a dog. Or the 'throng' of 12 who were blockading the Brittany ferry.

Believe what you want Clavinova and Micky - you won after all. But don't bother to come whinging when we crash out and you lose your jobs or violence in NI breaks out again, because it's what you voted for.

BTW this was supposed to be a thread about Remain voter not a Leaver mardy fest.

1tisLeClerc:

sure the Leavers have a plan - it's called Leave the EU

Only reason it's not working out is because the Establishment is so pro-EU that it's willing to subvert the democratic vote of the Ref.

{sure the Leavers have a plan - it's called Leave the EU}
So you don't want to be able to afford to eat for the next 3 or 4 years?
Regeneration of UK industry, sort out the NHS etc where is the money coming from?
Of course trade will continue, but everything is about to get a whole lot more expensive, say an average of 10%, how will that hit your pocket?

The 'democracy' you are so proud of was 'bought' with Russian money, at least the few percent of votes that tipped it to 'leave' rather than remain.

Bodoni
I read the police unofficially estimated 1.5 million and the German press estimated 2 million.

The 2 million estimate appears to be a (false) twitter rumour spread by Alex Andreou - a Greek born writer/actor/political blogger/anti-Brexit podcaster...

Just found this Freedom of Information Response from the Met Police dated 25th April 2019;

www.whatdotheyknow.com/user/les_cooper_3

"Thank you for your request for information which was received by the Metropolitan Police Service (MPS) on 24 March 2019, seeking access to the following information:"

"Can you please publish any data, information, or estimates you hold, or have communicated, about the number of attendees at the "Peoples Vote March" in London on 20th October 2018 and 23rd March 2019?" ...

DECISION
"I have today decided to disclose the located information to you in full below:"

Re:20th October 2018–The MPS have an estimated data which was provided during the event by a representative of the GLA of 250,000.

"The MPS has not recorded any estimates."

"Re:23rd March 2019–Please note that there is no data held by the MPS."

The People's Vote March organisers estimated the turnout in October to be close to 700,000 people - the GLA (Greater London Authority) estimated 250,000.

Where on earth did 400k come from?

From the remainvoter website - they probably got their info from Full Fact;

March 2019:
fullfact.org/europe/peoples-vote-march-count/

"It’s impossible to say with precision how many people attended the march.However experts in crowd estimation put the number at between 312,000 and 400,000."

LeClerc:

People knew all this when they voted, and still voted Leave.

that is refering to you post about the ecnonomy taking a 10% nose-dive

LeClerc:

LOL, if all else fails, blame the Ruskies!! LOL

Clavinova
It has obviously escaped you but most couldn't give a shit about the actual number. What is important is that there should be a plan for what the UK does next and so far there isn't one. Since this Brexit crap has been going on for nearly 3 years it is about time someone in the UK got a plan together rather than relying on the Europeans.

the 'subvert democracy' march would have been interesting if 17.5 million turned up, but alas, WAY SHORT of that!

Prob those folk too busy in their second homes on the Algarve or something.....