Interesting stuff on remainvoter.com

[Bougie]

My DD told me about this site, (Remainvoter.com) it's non party political and is run and funded by volunteers. Anyone else seen it? Most interesting thing is a blog post about changing politics rather than blaming politicians who are caught up in the present system. I agree since I am just fed up to the back teeth with the whole thing and hardly know who to vote for to get any common sense or decent behaviour anymore.

Micky665544
Well how would you explain several million pounds being used to place social media propaganda that happens to have been sources from Russia by people with established strong Russian dealings?

Anyway, you still haven't come up with a realistic practical plans to entice your unicorns.

The 'democracy' you are so proud of was 'bought' with Russian money, at least the few percent of votes that tipped it to 'leave' rather than remain.

Official EU Referendum spending

Remain: £19,309,588
Leave: £13,332,569

These figures do not include the £9 million spent by the government on the leaflet - sent to every household advising them to vote Remain.

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/find-information-by-subject/political-parties-campaigning-and-donations/campaign-spending-and-donations-at-referendums/campaign-spending-at-the-eu-referendum

Anyway, you still haven't come up with a realistic practical plans to entice your unicorns.

That's up to the government - the Department for International Trade have updated their 'no-deal' export advice for just about every country going in the last few days...

Le Clerc is changing the subject now you present him with those facts

" sources from Russia by people with established strong Russian dealings? "

Like, what the F is that supposed to mean - sounds like you're saying anyone who deals with the Russians shouldn't be allowed to vote or campaing, kinda laughable really

{These figures do not include the £9 million spent by the government on the leaflet - sent to every household advising them to vote Remain.}

If people had voted remain then nearly double the 'supposed' £350 Million a week could have been spent on the NHS (or other things) whereas you have the likes of Grayling hiring ferries that don't exist, massive disruption and waste that is hammering the UK economy and the UK hasn't even left yet.
Since the 'cut and paste queen' is so active, how about finding accurate reports of new investment by the UK government is improving things for people outside London. I am meaning money that is being spent NOW not some pie in the sky electioneering twaddle. How many have seen and increase in their Universal Credit allowances? How many foodbanks have been closed down because they are not needed. How about new bus services in remote areas?
The EU is not stopping any investments so why hasn't investment been happening over the last 3 years, or indeed for the last 40 years?

great to see you can argue like an, ahem, 'adult'...

Le Clerc:

food banks, UC, bus routes , yadda yadda yadda - nowt to do with Brexit, just everyday concerns - stop deflecting please

Micky665544
You have contributed nothing to the overall discussion. With your lack of insight and an inability to put forward properly researched points of view it can only be concluded that you are a troll or other waste of space.

{food banks, UC, bus routes}
Well leaving the EU is one way to guarantee that these sort of issues are not addressed as the UK will be hammered by tariffs and not be able to afford them.
Perhaps you would like to show your figures that indicate how the UK tax take will be divided up to address the various problems?
It has been shown that the general UK population's interest and awareness of the EU was around 6% before the referendum. The contributions which were 'massive' according to the 'leave' parties amounted to around 0.7% of GDP, one of the smallest segments of governmental spending (see the thread of assorted Brexit related charts for full details). Government figures suggest that each Pound 'spent' on EU membership actually 'gained' around 5 or 6 Pounds of 'benefit' from being a member.

The Leavers are rattled. They shouldn't be. After winning nearly three years ago they should now be presenting long lists of the Trade deals already made, and the firms rushing to move their businesses here. Instead we get them trying to debunk figures about the numbers on marches which they didn't attend. I don't doubt if their poster boy Farage had managed to get that number out it would be reported as 3 million at least.

Then we get empty blabbing about cattle knowing that they really mustn't stray across fields, because that's a foreign country, don't you know. Pity no one told the cattle that.

Oh and BTW when were people like Johnson, Fox, Davis, Rees-Mogg not part of the Establishment - do tell. I would really love to hear about how they have made good after failing their 11 + and being despatched to a Secondary Modern.

LeClerc - how will you be voting in next week's Local Elections?

{ I would really love to hear about how they have made good after failing their 11 + and being despatched to a Secondary Modern.}

I am sure there is a saying about it's not what youv'e got but what you do with it.

I am sure there is a big list somewhere of all the things Leavers are going to improve to make the UK better than it was while being (notionally) held back by the EU, just like Germany.
Actually leaving is going to be one hell of a 'jolt' when it happens and all these wondrous plans suddenly spring into action.
I wonder what the excuses will be then? No doubt 'the wrong sort of leavers on the line'?

{LeClerc - how will you be voting in next week's Local Elections?}

You should know that a citizens voting choice is personal. I will of course be voting to remain.

Le Clerc - it's the UK's local elections, maybe from where you are posting from you might not be too familiar with them?

Fancy you not wanting to tell us how you would vote when you are so busy telling us your opinions on everything else.

Maybe you're a Ruskie?

While I remember liking Farley's rusks when I was very small that is about as near to being a 'Ruskie' as it gets although I did spend a week working in St Petersburg. Actually the state of the roads and the poverty reminds me of some places in the UK.
If I was a 'Ruskie' why would I have voted Remain? Mr Putin is very happy with the idea of the UK leaving the EU so he would not be a friend of mine.

the 'subvert democracy' march would have been interesting if 17.5 million turned up, but alas, WAY SHORT of that!
There was a 'subvert democracy' march? I suppose Micky is one of those people who think too much voting is anti-democratic and that protesting is also anti-democratic. It's almost as if Micky joined MN a day or two ago especially to spout his anti-Brexit/right wing drivel. Either that, or he has a shiney new name.

Not everywhere is having local elections. London, Wales and Scotland aren't, and some cities in the UK, like Oxford.

Thanks for answering LeClerc - I really don't know how you voted in the Referendum. But you don't live in the UK now do you? Maybe in the EU somewhere? Maybe not.

Do you get to vote in UK Local Elections if you live abroad?

Yes, you're right Peregrina it's only 248 English Local Councils, still a substantial amount. I'm lucky I think in my local area in that I have quite a vast range of candidates to choose from.

My ward is not holding a local election.

I have both District and Town elections to contend with. Labour can't win either of them, by virtue of the fact that they are not standing. Nor are UKIP. Difficult choices then - no, not really!

I’ll be voting for Remain party candidates in the local elections.

Interestingly the local Tories are busy doing their leafleting in the dead of night - it’s almost as if they don’t want to actually speak to anyone

Me too Peregrina for just my little town Ward I've got the usual Tory, Labour and Lib Dems plus Green, lots of Indies and a new 'party' called Common Ground - I 'm not sure if UKIP are up in my Ward, but there's a few UKIP town councillors in adjacent Wards. Some of the Indies are already Cllrs but they're also stating where they stand on Brexit. The Green is a long established Cllr and works well for the Town so he will be getting my vote.

I think I can make 3 choices - so they will be Green, Common Ground and undecided yet. Just not Tory or Lib Dem, I might vote for the Labour bloke (good existing Cllr) because this is generally a Tory area and I like a bit of balance in my Local Council.

But I don't think party politics has a place in Local Councils and local issues shouldn't be decided on 'party lines' as that isn't best for localities, so I might go for an Indie.

It's pretty much the same for the District Council - except my Ward returns 5 candidates.

EU Elections will be easy for me - Brexit Party - a single issue vote, previously I have voted Green. I do think it is a shame that there isn't an actual Remain Party for Referendum Remain voters to coalesce their single-issue votes behind too..

LeClerc apparently you can't vote in UK Local Elections if you live abroad.

www.yourvotematters.co.uk/can-i-vote/overseas

{LeClerc apparently you can't vote in UK Local Elections if you live abroad.}

Not that it is any of your business my ward is not having a local election.
No idea why you would be at all interested anyway, there are plenty of idiots in the UK who will vote to make themselves worse off.