Interesting stuff on remainvoter.com

[Bougie]

My DD told me about this site, (Remainvoter.com) it's non party political and is run and funded by volunteers. Anyone else seen it? Most interesting thing is a blog post about changing politics rather than blaming politicians who are caught up in the present system. I agree since I am just fed up to the back teeth with the whole thing and hardly know who to vote for to get any common sense or decent behaviour anymore.

jasjas1973
"Clavinova - i once saw a film on Albanians in Paris, shocking, a criminal gang going about kidnapping girls with impunity"

Yes, that is worrying, I must tell the local Conservative Club - the EU is opening accession negotiations with Albania in June this year.

Clavinova
Since you are more than content to 'rubbish' anyone with any real data I can't be arsed to even think about when it was from.
Most of what you come up with is well out of date.

Your data is from 2007 isn't it? The charts are identical.

Clavinova Yes i hope you do, though its too late.

Porous borders, despite all these technological solutions so loved by brexitiers, has assured that.

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/13/kings-of-cocaine-albanian-mafia-uk-drugs-crime

It's dedicated to remaining in the EU. It's political.

Clavinova
You don't make much sense really.
Part of the reason leave voters gave was to get rid of the eastern European workers. Yesterday you were saying that in the new UK you would be bringing in later accession country workers to boost the UK economy.
Then you were trying to 'rubbish' the efforts of Germany presumably because the new independent UK will be so much better. So how will this work since the UK is short of natural resources (that Germany has) so will have to import materials and pay the extra tariffs both incoming and outgoing.

Mitsigri:

NHS also massively overused do to recent influxes of immigrants

Same goes for the housing crisis

{NHS also massively overused do to recent influxes of immigrants

Same goes for the housing crisis}

Wrong on both accounts. 3/10, must try harder.

so which houses and hospitals can you point to, having been built to accomodate the millions of recent arrivals?

1tisILeClerc

I think you have misunderstood me - non-Brexit Britain is the Britain that stays in the EU - I said;

"In fact, if we stay in the EU, the newly revived, so much better, non-recession, "non-Brexit Britain" will attract migrant workers already living in Germany and elsewhere - Germany's recession could end up being a problem - everyone will want to come to the UK" ...

Young migrants tend not to use health services very much.

So my daughter is on placement within the nhs, 80% of the patients she sees in hospitals and community nursing are elderly, she is being mentored by 2 EU nurses.

She tells me of under funding and staff shortages.... hasn't yet seen a foreign patient.

Clavinova
In that case the UK had better work on a serious 'charm offensive' because the climate of hate being put about by some, and institutionally by the Home Office will not attract workers.

{so which houses and hospitals can you point to, having been built to accomodate the millions of recent arrivals?}
Arrivals have not been in the millions.

BorisBogtrotter
I admire your patience!

5 million Eu nationals living in UK is the general figure bandied around

Now, we could argue the toss over the 'exact' amount, but even so - can you point to even 3 million new homes being built in recent yrs?

I doubt it somehow

Its about 3.7 million EU nationals.

Not all of them are new arrivals.

Population increase between 2001 and 2011 is only slightly higher than population increase trends between the 1950s onwards.

You wouldn't need to build 3 million new homes, or anything like that number to accomodate the new incomers.

Have you over simiplified the point and made an erroneous argument? Yes you have.

ONS data on house prices shows that immigration has increasesdprices by 20 percent over 25 years, but house prices over all have risen by 320 percent, so immigration has caused a 0.8 PA increase whilst other factors have caused a 12 percent PA increase. So neither is immigration the driving force between higher costs of living. You can spout this rubbish all you like, doesn't make it true.

Micky665544
Shame your brain is so small. At least 2 of the EU nationals that I know are married to UK nationals, they didn't need another house.
The generally accepted figure is around 3 Million of which many will be couples or families even if they have not married a UK citizen.

About 5% of that total is also students, who didn't need extra accommodation built for them.

Apart from anything else, the apparent shortage of homes and other infrastructure is entirely down to government policies and greed of landowners tied in with the failure to do make strategic long term plans.
So nothing to do with the EU or immigrants.

Boris:

ok, so where are all these people living now then?

LeClerc:

sure it's to do with immigrants, landlord 'greed', govt policy re. not building social housing, is pretty much constant - how can a landlord not be greedy when you give him 5 million new people to jack up rents with?

same goes for zero hrs etc.... this didn't happen before

why has it only miraculously happened since we've had mass immigration, strange coincidences right...

Micky665544
Your ability to grab a couple of incorrect 'facts' then turn it into something else is getting ridiculous.
In your mentality, 3+2 is a cucumber sandwich.
There has not been 'mass immigration' and tying a few random sentences and numbers together does not make a reasoned argument.

There aren't 5 million new migrants.

Since 2004 there have been about 2.25 million more houses/dwellings built.

BTW in 2001 there were 5.4 million immigrants living in the UK, in 2011 there were 7.3 million, an increase of 1.9 million.

That's total immigrant population, so no 5 million new people your facts and points are way off.

Oh and during that time 1.5 million new dwellings were constructed.

Your points are rubbish.

let me also note here that in my experience most of the “greedy landlords”(your words, not mine) are British nationals that for obvious reasons got on the property ladder in the past, and now charge market rates to whoever wants to rent from them. So yes, the young guy (immigrant or otherwise) might struggle to buy a place of his own, but his parents are more than happy that their income from renting out propertie(s) is gone up. All stories have multiple points of view.
All of my EU colleagues (young professionals) pay hefty rents and spend money to settle here, this contributing to the economy not only with their taxes. And they cost nothing in social services cause they’ve studied abroad, are young and fit, never use the gp...
There’s no point to tell you that, though, I’m sure you’ll get back to me with some sort of figure from internet to contradict my first hand experience...