Interesting stuff on remainvoter.com

[Bougie]

My DD told me about this site, (Remainvoter.com) it's non party political and is run and funded by volunteers. Anyone else seen it? Most interesting thing is a blog post about changing politics rather than blaming politicians who are caught up in the present system. I agree since I am just fed up to the back teeth with the whole thing and hardly know who to vote for to get any common sense or decent behaviour anymore.

the NHS is overused because the population is ageing, money has been wasted on "reorganisations", and because preventative health and primary care is in crisis.

What any of that has to do with Brexit is a mystery.

There was an 'outraged' piece in the DM yesterday about a woman complaining that an ambulance took 9 hours to take her son with a broken wrist to hospital. She objected to the suggestion of getting a taxi (£80 as it was a bank holiday) but expects the NHS to send an ambulance with crew to collect for a non emergency. Obviously she had no friends or neighbours who would take them. And people wonder why the NHS has problems!

cherin
but seriously....Qatar?? They’re not the counties I’d like as pals

Top 5 import origins for Qatar 2017: United Kingdom ($3.1B), France ($2.23B), Germany ($2.01B), China ($1.67B) and Oman ($1.34B).

Will you be telling France and Germany not to trade with Qatar as well?

Do you want to get your salad and tomatoes from Qatar instead of Spain?

Might be a problem - I think they have a lot of sand...

Why can't we continue to buy salad and tomatoes from the EU? I was under the impression that tens of thousands of lorries were descending on Kent - are the lorries coming or not?

Much of UK trade is in services of course...

BorisBogtrotter
Qatari investments in the UK tend be property based or of established businesses like Harrods, not creating new jobs.

Definitely supporting jobs:

Sep 2018 Qatar’s £5bn Typhoon and Hawk deal with BAE becomes effective
www.airforce-technology.com/news/qatar-typhoon-hawk-deal-bae/

April 2019 "around 4,500 UK businesses exported goods to Qatar, with around 500 importing.

"opportunities for business across asset management, cyber security, sustainable finance (including Islamic finance and green financing), and FinTech"

www.gov.uk/government/news/liam-fox-qatar-is-natural-trade-partner-for-the-uk

(And quoting Liam Fox as a reliable source?)

Peter Estlin the Lord Mayor of the City of London said;

“Qatar presents huge long-term opportunities for the City of London and the UK’s financial services industry.”

Jan 2019 Tobias Ellwood

"Qatari investments in Britain have exceeded £35 billion ($45 billion), the UK’s Parliamentary Under Secretary of State announced."

"Speaking to Qatar’s Al-Sharq newspaper, Ellwood said that Doha was participating to the “most important and largest investment projects” in the UK, adding that it had “strong economic and trade ties with us [Britain]."

"There are around 622 joint ventures between the two countries, here [UK] and in Qatar, in different fields, including energy, health, trade and education,” Ellwood noted."

1tisILeClerc

You obviously fail in your attention to detail.
It comes back to the UK to help fund social projects, regeneration of areas around the UK for example

Roughly £3bn a year (up to 50% of our rebate?) goes to UK farmers under the EU’s common agricultural policy (CAP) - how could you forget that?! The CAP is not fit for purpose - that is well known - one poll shows that 58% of UK farmers voted to leave the EU.

£500 Million a week going into preparations for leaving

I thought that figure was based on a doppelgänger UK that doesn't exist - what might have been if we had voted Remain...

The whole point about the £350 million (gross amount) is that the UK decides where the money is spent.

I assumed 1tisILeClerc was based in France - the tv series 'Allo Allo!' springs to mind (the French Resistance, German-occupied France...very apt.)

"Good moaning"

{German-occupied France...very apt}
Your mention of a former German occupation hints at a very unpleasant mind, and certainly not one capable of accepting that on the whole most people are good.

While the CAP might need reform or modification the way farming is conducted needs special treatment over and above usual industries.
Maybe you could come up with solutions to streamline it and encourage farmers to 'babysit' the land. Alternatively you can sit at your computer/phone and gripe about it.

Your mention of a former German occupation hints at a very unpleasant mind, and certainly not one capable of accepting that on the whole most people are good.

It was meant to mean that Germany is running the show...not a physical occupation.

You obviously saw some humour in the tv series at the time;
"It is I, LeClerc."

Maybe you could come up with solutions to streamline it and encourage farmers to 'babysit' the land.

Too busy today - going out again.

The whole point about the £350 million (gross amount) is that the UK decides where the money is spent

Not if the economy shrinks by the same or greater amount if/when we leave.
i know you like your links.....
uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-boe/bank-of-england-sees-weakest-uk-outlook-since-2009-on-brexit-global-slowdown-idUKKCN1PW1BC

Since there are few cats these days, how about a chart showing contributions to the EU by 'head of population'.
The UK is not badly done to, and as suggested as the UK trades significantly more than some others we benefit more.
Speaking of cats, the DM had a nice video of a cat knocking at a door to be let in.

jasjas1973
I know you like your links...

Indeed - your Reuters link says;

"Britain faces its weakest economic growth in a decade" ...
"the central bank slashed its 2019 economic growth forecast to 1.2 percent from a previous estimate of 1.7 percent made as recently as November." - all because of Brexit of course...

Reuters again:

"BERLIN, April 11 (Reuters)-The German government has halved its economic growth forecast for 2019 to 0.5 percent from 1.0 percent"

uk.reuters.com/article/germany-economy/germany-halves-2019-economic-growth-forecast-to-05-pct-spiegel-idUKS8N1T904L

April 2019 Germany braces for worst growth in a decade

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/04/17/chinas-economy-beats-expectations-stimulus-package-reboots-industrial/

Thank goodness we are leaving then - if we stay in the EU and Germany's economy goes into recession - we shall be subsidising their EU contributions as well!

We'd better 'slip out the back' quickly now...

Clavinova - What EU rules specify we have to subsidise any struggling EU economy? we are not in the eurozone.

Always remember that brexit is a self made woe, much like leavers who go on about that we survived the Blitz... yes we did (or some did) BUT no one voted for the Blitz.

Whats your opinion on the current USA view on Huawei/5G ?

I wonder how, post brexit, the UK will negotiate trade around China/US tensions? (not too mention Russia) so much for an independent trade policy! would be a whole lot better if we were dealing with both inside a large powerful trading bloc, if only one existed mmmmmm.

{Thank goodness we are leaving then - if we stay in the EU and Germany's economy goes into recession - we shall be subsidising their EU contributions as well! }

Maybe you should consider the parable about taking the plank out of your own eye before attempting to take a splinter from another.
While Germany's GDP may fall a bit, it is starting from a much better place compared to the UK. The German economy is not far off double the UK economy.
You seem to have ignored the UK's forecast that it will be in the doldrums for another 10 years.

And the Germans have some trade deals lined up with China that are awaiting some legislation change in China, scheduled for a couple of year's time. The deals are 'ready to go' and are part of the EU's overall trade negotiations. Shame the UK will be out of this and will have to negotiate from scratch.

jasjas1973

Who is going to prop-up the EU budget if Germany's manufacturing and exports collapse? All of our woes are Brexit related - (at least that is what you keep telling me) - if we stay in the EU our economy will be so much better (according to you) - we will end up making the highest contributions out of all the member states.

What about the countries waiting to join the EU - Serbia, Montenegro, Albania even? Why would Serbian workers move to Germany in 5-6 years time if the German economy is in recession? The UK will be a much better option for them.

1tisILeClerc
Your per capita chart is a bit meaningless really - equally, from Business Insider (link doesn't work);

"2017 The House of Commons Library in December released a fascinating briefing paper looking at the UK's funding from the EU, in which it looks at what Britain puts in and takes out of Europe in a whole number of ways."

"Perhaps the most striking analysis in the paper, visually at least, is a breakdown of funding each EU country receives per person. In this analysis Britain gets the least EU funding out of all the 28 member states, receiving just €107 per person, per year between 2011 and 2015."

No wonder we voted to Leave...

{What about the countries waiting to join the EU - Serbia, Montenegro, Albania even? Why would Serbian workers move to Germany in 5-6 years time if the German economy is in recession? The UK will be a much better option for them. }

Now you are taking the piss, as you know full well that a significant number of leavers voted to get rid of 'cheap' EU labour that were 'stealing' good UK jobs. There is also the factor that the UK 'hostile environment' is making some that have come want to leave.

In fact, if we stay in the EU - the newly revived, so much better, non-recession, "non-Brexit Britain" will attract migrant workers already living in Germany and elsewhere - Germany's recession could end up being a problem - everyone will want to come to the UK...

There is also the factor that the UK 'hostile environment' is making some that have come want to leave.

That's Brexit Britain - I'm talking about non-Brexit Britain.

Clavinova.... stop putting words in my mouth.

The UK has had recessions before, during and will continue to do so after its EU membership ends.
What is unique is we are voting for the next one to be worse than it otherwise would.

If Germany's manufacturing and exports collapse then that will be a world economic event and the UK will be very heavily impacted, as will all of the EU and globally too.

I don't know what the future FOM status will be on any new member states joining the EU, if indeed they do, Serbia doesn't recognise Kosovo and thats a precondition, also other EU countries don't recognise it either!!!
So your 5 years before millions of Serbs descend on the UK is optimistic.

Still no view on UK/USA & Huawei ?

{That's Brexit Britain - I'm talking about non-Brexit Britain.}

So how are you going to persuade 17.4 million voters (?) that the UK is now great, cuddly and 'world beating' when it is going to take a minimum of 5 years to get any trade deals sorted out and even the remotest chance of stability when it has already taken 3 years and the government can't agree on how to actually leave?
You are truly talking crap now.

Now you are taking the piss
Possibly - I'm going to watch tv.

In case you didn’t know, anyway, there’s plenty of Serbian, Bosnian and Albanian in the U.K. already, whom have moved and settled even without freedom and movement. I might live in a bubble, but all he ones I know are engineers and physicists.
Anyway
Your open racism is at least in the clear. I wish you emigration, my dear. Try it, for real. It might do you good

cherin
Your open racism is at least in the clear.

That's exactly what I was thinking about you yesterday (but too polite to post it then) - when you said you didn't want to be pals with countries like Nigeria.

Serbian, Bosnian and Albanian in the U.K.- all the ones I know are engineers and physicists.

engineers and physicists are fine - I have lots of professional friends from all over Europe and Asia. I thought we were introducing a points based immigration system in any case - not locking the door behind us?

I'm a middle-class snob - not a racist.

All the pro-EU think-tanks have argued that economic migrants will only want to come to the UK in their millions if our economy does better than Germany - well, guess what...

Clavinova - i once saw a film on Albanians in Paris, shocking, a criminal gang going about kidnapping girls with impunity, until stopped by a crazed vigilante operating outside the law with help from rogue CIA agents.

You are right to be concerned, we don't want that sort of think happening in our green and pleasant land..

If you are determined to categorise a nation by some of it's citizens, maybe you should take Millwall 'supporters' and the pissheads who used to go to Ibiza as the 'British' stereotype. Hardly something to brag about. Criminals are criminals in any country.
Maybe Myra Hindley is the prime example of 'British women'?

{Your per capita chart is a bit meaningless really}

Not at all, it tells you the information you need. It might not answer YOUR specific question but as with everything you have to look at it as a complete package.

1tisILeClerc
{Your per capita chart is a bit meaningless really}
"Not at all, it tells you the information you need. It might not answer YOUR specific question but as with everything you have to look at it as a complete package."

The Republic of Ireland don't pay much in your chart do they?
In fact - there only appears to be 27 member states in the chart, not 28 - how out of date is it? Could it be this one from 2007? (click net by population);

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8036097.stm#start