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Interesting stuff on remainvoter.com

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Bougie · 25/04/2019 19:02

My DD told me about this site, (Remainvoter.com) it's non party political and is run and funded by volunteers. Anyone else seen it? Most interesting thing is a blog post about changing politics rather than blaming politicians who are caught up in the present system. I agree since I am just fed up to the back teeth with the whole thing and hardly know who to vote for to get any common sense or decent behaviour anymore.

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bellinisurge · 07/05/2019 18:46

Not sure I am comfy giving out any information about my voting interests or intentions in real life including online.

cherin · 07/05/2019 22:58

I’ve been thinking...Don’t you feel the irony of all these people pre-referendum moaning that the EU was an undemocratic bunch of unelected bureaucrats...now moaning that they have to vote for it?
(I know at least 2 in real life. Went on and on to tell me how much of a dictatoriship this EU was, with all these layers of well paid paper shufflers that had no mandate by the people...I’m tempted to call them to check if they received their polling card)

Peregrina · 08/05/2019 08:35

Also ironic that Farage's party are standing again for something they don't believe in with the hope of winning the most seats.

Still there is a simple solution - they just have to stay at home and not vote.

Bodoni · 08/05/2019 09:24

www.remainvoter.com/ now has a clickable map showing poll predictions by region and party. Glum reading for the West Midlands unless Labour gets its act together.

twofingerstoEverything · 08/05/2019 12:31

The 400,000 is the official police number. I was there it seemed much bigger!
Just to return to the numbers on the March march... Is it the 'official police number'? Where have the police said this? Would love to see this source.
I know 'FullFact' have put this number about and have written to them three times now to query this and they have been unable or unwilling to respond. Their webpage here refers to “experts in crowd estimation” but only cites one single ‘expert’ (Keith Stills), whose estimate is totally at odds with estimates from other sources. I specifically asked FullFact whether they had sought the views of further ‘experts’ to back up their assertion that the crowd at the march only numbered 312,000-400,000. As an academic, Keith Stills would certainly know that applying a single method in a scenario like this does not equate to rigorous research. In my view, FullFact have lost a lot of credibility with their claim, particularly as their ‘crude estimate’ for the October 2018 march was higher at 450,000. Anyone who attended both marches would know which was bigger.

Peregrina · 08/05/2019 13:42

Well as long as they continue to talk us down, when we know that our numbers are increasing, and talk Farage and Co up when we know he isn't getting the support he says he's getting, then I shan't mind too much. Last Thursday's election results would not have taken anyone by surprise if the reporting had been more accurate.

Clavinova · 08/05/2019 21:07

twofingerstoEverything
‘crude estimate’ for the October 2018 march was higher at 450,000. Anyone who attended both marches would know which was bigger.

A recent Freedom of Information request made to the Met Police reveals that the GLA gave them an estimate of only 250,000 people for the October 2018 march - the estimate for March 2019 ties in with that.The FOI disclosure also says that the Met Police don't hold any data for the March march.

Scroll down to the attachment dated 25th April;
www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/police_estimate_of_numbers_at_pe

only cites one single ‘expert’ (Keith Stills)

He's quite an expert though;
www.gkstill.com/ExpertWitness/index.html

Interesting article about crowd (over)estimation in the US;
chicago.suntimes.com/entertainment/2-million-people-in-times-square-for-new-years-experts-not-even-close/

Peregrina · 08/05/2019 21:26

Works both ways Clavinova- next time we hear about Farage we will know to halve the numbers. He was supposed to be getting a million or two out on the streets on 29th March, but managed about 100.

1tisILeClerc · 08/05/2019 21:33

You could count Farage's march easily. You hardly had to take your shoes and socks off to count on your toes for it.
Anyway, that horse has been flogged enough, how about trying to root out Farage's manifesto or plans for the direction the UK will take when he wins. You do realise that if he does win anything he will have to have a properly worked out plan from immediately after the win is declared.

Peregrina · 08/05/2019 21:57

You do realise that if he does win anything he will have to have a properly worked out plan from immediately after the win is declared.

Oh I don't know about that. Leave won almost three years ago now, and still haven't a clue about what they want - or at least not something that they want to share with the general public.

As for EU seats - business as usual for Farage - don't bother to attend and prop up the bar in Brussels. If he wins any seats in a GE it will be interesting to see how much work his party does.

Clavinova · 08/05/2019 21:59

1tisILeClerc
Nigel Farage has been an MEP since 1999 - I think his plan is to be even more annoying in the next EU parliament so they won't want to grant TM another extension. Wink

Peregrina · 08/05/2019 22:06

Still if that forced him to attend a few sessions, in order to object, at least he would be doing the job he was elected for.

1tisILeClerc · 09/05/2019 07:57

Clavinova
So if I came round to your place and threw the odd brick through your window because it makes a nice noise and it would annoy you, that would be OK then?
It seems to be escaping the 'Leaver' fraternity that the UK cannot exist in it's own tiny bubble in the world as it exists today, you have to get on with neighbours, especially if like the UK you are not even self sufficient in food.

BackInTime · 09/05/2019 09:16

You do realise that if he does win anything he will have to have a properly worked out plan from immediately after the win is declared.

After the referendum Farage just sloped off leaving everyone else to deal with the situation. It was evident that he had no plan of how to actually deliver Brexit the morning the result was declared. I suspect that the aftermath of Euro elections will be the same, essentially lots of noise about 'Brexit means Brexit' , democracy, sovereignty and the will of the people but still no substantial plan on how to deliver this or how our future trade relationships will be negotiated given that the EU will not budge the on the WA and the backstop.

As far as I see a vote for the Brexit party is just taxpayers funding for more incompetent Farages to go on jollys to Brussels a few times a month just to be annoying and disruptive.

1tisILeClerc · 09/05/2019 10:28

{As far as I see a vote for the Brexit party is just taxpayers funding for more incompetent Farages to go on jollies to Brussels a few times a month just to be annoying and disruptive.}

This is the point that makes me angry. There are a lot of very serious issues going on in the world, seemingly more than say 10 years ago, with increased tension with Iran, parts of the Middle East, and of course the volatility of Trump and continued sabre rattling of Putin, all of which need good clear positive thinking, so having a bunch of whining lunatics in London has a good chance of being terrible for everyone. Those in Westminster (and 'leave' followers) can stick their heads in the sand but the world is getting a tougher place and needs proper diplomacy.

Clavinova · 09/05/2019 11:01

The reason Nigel Farage is going to be annoying if he has to take his seat in the next EU parliament is because he doesn't agree with the EU's commitment to enlargement, he doesn't want an EU army, he's not a socialist and he doesn't want to scrap the veto on taxation and defence matters. In fact, half of the things he was forewarning us about in 2016 appear to be on the agenda for the next EU parliament - he might be quite busy after all.

bellinisurge · 09/05/2019 11:10

If Nige can come up with an idea that respects our international obligations under GFA, that'd be great. Otherwise, he can fuck off.

1tisILeClerc · 09/05/2019 11:58

Clavinova
An MP cannot be an MEP, which is he standing for?

ContinuityError · 09/05/2019 12:20

he doesn't want an EU army

If he’d bothered to have read and understood the relevant articles on the Lisbon Treaty then he’d know that wasn’t going to happen.

Or maybe he has, and he knows it’s not going to happen and it’s just another lie that he can use to whip up his gullible supporters?

LouiseCollins28 · 09/05/2019 12:28

@continuity error

Still advancing, literally within the last week! Permanent Structured Cooperation to be approved by end 2019.

www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/05/06/european-union-tees-up-new-military-cooperation-proposals/

1tisILeClerc · 09/05/2019 12:38

{Still advancing, literally within the last week! Permanent Structured Cooperation to be approved by end 2019.}

I would prefer to be on the 'winning' side.

Gavin 'the wazzok' Williamson was all for sending a battleship to the South China sea. The Chinese would only need to surround then impound it if the UK were to be 'independent', but would have support if it was part of an EU strategy.

Peregrina · 09/05/2019 13:14

I am 100% sure that if we leave, and if an EU army ever comes about then the UK Government will be whinging the loudest about being excluded from it.

LouiseCollins28 · 09/05/2019 13:18

re: "winning side"

....and for as long as we are in NATO, you will be.
happy to help.

Peregrina · 09/05/2019 13:42

Who knows what will happen to NATO with Trump around!

1tisILeClerc · 09/05/2019 13:56

{re: "winning side"

....and for as long as we are in NATO, you will be.
happy to help.}

The only way to 'help' is to get A50 revoked.

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