Plan C to ban household mixing being discussed.

[MercyBooth]

Absolute fuckers.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10113747/Covid-UK-Ministers-discussing-banning-households-mixing-booster-jabs-dont-halt-winter-wave.html?fbclid=IwAR1iNfWAFoAJywK8_wUyX04mCsqh3WKDg4ywZjme6fs5I9xqx5r_ppFwSXU

This is bollocks. Of course everyone wants their own families to survive, but many people genuinely do care about others as well.

I do wish self-centred twats wouldn't judge everyone by their own standards.

Nah, you just don't like the implications.

The people berating others for not complying because of the NHS may very well be thinking of others too, at least up to a point. But they'll all also want access to the NHS for themselves and their loved ones if they need it. Try as you might, you simply cannot remove the selfish aspect here. The test is whether they're willing to do something that genuinely has no benefit to them at all for the good of others, and acting in what they perceive to be the best interests of the NHS is not it.

Not wearing a mask isn't just about you! It's also about protecting others, is it so difficult??

NHS in Cornwall declares 'critical incident'

Looks like its already starting. Though sure someone will be along to say it happens every year.

@LyricalBlowToTheJaw

This is bollocks. Of course everyone wants their own families to survive, but many people genuinely do care about others as well.

I do wish self-centred twats wouldn't judge everyone by their own standards.

Nah, you just don't like the implications.

The people berating others for not complying because of the NHS may very well be thinking of others too, at least up to a point. But they'll all also want access to the NHS for themselves and their loved ones if they need it. Try as you might, you simply cannot remove the selfish aspect here. The test is whether they're willing to do something that genuinely has no benefit to them at all for the good of others, and acting in what they perceive to be the best interests of the NHS is not it.

Quite agree.

Were these same people that concerned about saving the NHS and other people’s health choices before Covid? Or is it because Covid just happens to be infectious?

Definitely concerned which is why I didn't vote tory. The pandemic has highlighted this further.

@LyricalBlowToTheJaw

This is bollocks. Of course everyone wants their own families to survive, but many people genuinely do care about others as well.

I do wish self-centred twats wouldn't judge everyone by their own standards.

Nah, you just don't like the implications.

The people berating others for not complying because of the NHS may very well be thinking of others too, at least up to a point. But they'll all also want access to the NHS for themselves and their loved ones if they need it. Try as you might, you simply cannot remove the selfish aspect here. The test is whether they're willing to do something that genuinely has no benefit to them at all for the good of others, and acting in what they perceive to be the best interests of the NHS is not it.

This is nonsense. What 'implications' don't I like?

It isn't selfish to want access to healthcare. That is just normal.

Were these same people that concerned about saving the NHS and other people’s health choices before Covid?

Wtf is this new nonsense tonight?

@Wondergirl100 @MarshaBradyo

It would be the FOURTH lockdown

But yes Wondergirl i agree with you.

People branding those with their MH in the toilet as whiners

Or as drunks. Or far right

You know some people with terrible MH are actually quiet and terrible at asserting their own needs. The person on here who types a few quiet comments and gets dismissed may have the worst mental health of anyone on the thread.
There are exceptions, but IME it is not those who talk a lot about their mental health who tend to be struggling the most with their mental health.

Psychosis has went way up during the pandemic. That really concerns me. Our treatment and care for people with psychosis was already poor before the pandemic.

Oh so ppl who talk about their mental health are usually not the ones struggling the most Bringing in @MNHQ here as @MNHQ may now want to remove the mental health board as they are not the ones struggling the most Duly noted @julieca

Check your inboxes if you haven't already. Had some charming middle of the night troll PMs from our friend under the bridge. Duly reported to HQ, but I'm sure I'm not the only one to have received them.

@etopp because according to the press it’s the unvaccinated who get it worse that are causing the hospital admissions. The cases aren’t that important it’s the overwhelming of the NHS that is apparently why we lockdown.

So if 95% of all the people in hospital are unvaccinated then it’s not fair to lock us down who have complied and “protected the NHS” by having the jab.

That’s why.

This is nonsense. What 'implications' don't I like?

It isn't selfish to want access to healthcare. That is just normal.

You don't like the implications of the fact that people who are berating others for not doing what they perceive to be in the best interests of the NHS are doing so out of their own self-interest too.

And yes, it's normal to want access to the NHS and to worry about oneself and loved ones during a pandemic. And selfish too. That's really the point. The two are not mutually exclusive. Which is what makes your self centred twats remark so very, very silly.

The figures for unvaccinated in hospital today are a joke. The only information offered says that of the 300 18-29 year olds admitted to hospital in recent weeks around 66% of them weren’t fully vaccinated. That’s just under 200 18-29 year olds over the course of “recent” weeks. Not exactly flooding the hospitals. 88% of over 80’s admitted were double vaccinated.
As has been the case from the start, you are much more likely to need hospital care as you get older due to age and the other health complications you probably have. This will never change and so the only answer is for the government to actually build enough capacity into the NHS to cope with an ageing population.
This incessant witch hunt of the unvaccinated has to stop.

'This incessant witch hunt of the unvaccinated has to stop.'

It isn't a 'witch hunt', it is pointing out the very inconvenient truth for the anti vaxxers that vaccines reduce hospitalisations and deaths massively. So stop with the lame excuses and get it.

No lame excuses here, just facts. People over 65, whatever their vaccine status, are sadly more likely to end up in hospital. Unvaccinated 20 year olds have little to do with it. The witch hunt has to stop because it encourages discrimination. Nothing anti vaxx about it, just common sense and factual understanding.
If you go and read the thread full of hcp talking about current hospital pressures, actual covid patients has little to do with the NHS problems at the moment. It is more the knock on effects of other services still not accepting face to face appointments or admissions into other forms of care - specifically social care - which is causing the problems combined with staff shortages.

But nobody ever gets upset with the government for not sorting out these endemic problems that continue on and on, too busy getting upset with anyone suggesting that perhaps it’s time to focus on other problems and suggesting that if only the vulnerable are protected by vaccines then that should be enough to protect hospitals.
200 18-29 year olds across the whole country of hospitals is barely anything in the grand scheme of things. Not playing down their illness or importance of their care but just trying to point out that unvaccinated people are not the problem.

@Lostinacloud

But nobody ever gets upset with the government for not sorting out these endemic problems that continue on and on, too busy getting upset with anyone suggesting that perhaps it’s time to focus on other problems and suggesting that if only the vulnerable are protected by vaccines then that should be enough to protect hospitals. 200 18-29 year olds across the whole country of hospitals is barely anything in the grand scheme of things. Not playing down their illness or importance of their care but just trying to point out that unvaccinated people are not the problem.

I’m not sure where the figures are from, but do you have the numbers for older age groups? Out of interest

Figures are from sky news this morning but that’s all they gave despite the headline being ‘unvaccinated figures in hospitals released’
I’d also love to know the figures for other age groups.

It did say that 88% of over 80’s in hospital are double vaccinated and that was apparently to be expected.

news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-nhs-in-cornwall-declares-critical-incident-as-number-of-global-health-worker-deaths-revealed-12431158

Someone summed it up well for me the other day.

If 100% of people were double vaccinated then 100% of hospitalisations or deaths would be of those who were double vaccinated.

That makes sense and the purpose of my posts is not to make any point about vaccine effectiveness. It is more to note that the unvaccinated are not some huge number of anti vaxxers who are selfishly clogging up hospital beds. The numbers of unvaccinated people in hospital under the age of 65 is perhaps fairly negligible in the grand scheme of things and so I do not feel it is fair or necessary to direct any blame or anger to that particular group. It is also highly discriminatory to impose restrictions such as vaccine passports purely on those who have chosen (for whatever their personal reason) not to be vaccinated. Maybe quite a few are recovered from covid and have naturally acquired antibodies as opposed to vaccine acquired antibodies. In which case their risk to anyone else is the same as a vaccinated person.

'The numbers of unvaccinated people in hospital under the age of 65 is perhaps fairly negligible in the grand scheme of things and so I do not feel it is fair or necessary to direct any blame or anger to that particular group. It is also highly discriminatory to impose restrictions such as vaccine passports'

But the numbers of younger people in hospital has always been negligible in comparison. The point is we know vaccines reduce transmission which will therefore help the vulnerable and elderly as we know it isn't 100% effective.

Vaccine passports aren't 'discriminatory'. It is a public health emergency therefore it is necessary, as are many pesky rules and laws.

It is also highly discriminatory to impose restrictions such as vaccine passports

It may be, if venues which require them take the law into their own hands and refuse entry to those who cannot have vaccinations for medical reasons. There have been assurances that this won't happen but the discrimination against mask exempt people sadly shows that for many, the law is free to interpret as they see fit.

Of course everyone should be vaccinated, if they're able. But just like mask wearing, not everyone is.