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TreaslakeandBack · 21/10/2021 02:33

No one will comply with this now. Why they are delaying plan B I don’t know. Get on with it so we don’t have to do plan c ffs.

Tillysfad · 21/10/2021 02:34

Very mature.

You clearly are the right person to weigh into a debate about why we have a shockingly high death rate.

This isn't necessary. The vitriol isn't helping.

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MercyBooth · 21/10/2021 02:35

Funny how the default setting is to stop ppl seeing their families rather than paying people properly to self isolate. If that had been implemented properly it would have helped a great deal

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MercyBooth · 21/10/2021 02:37

We wouldnt have such a high death rate if the above had been done. I suspect many people dont want the raise in taxes afterwards so would rather have the restrictions.

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rrhuth · 21/10/2021 02:37

I really despair at how shit this government is.

Why will they not reintroduce some low-level measures now, to hopefully avoid the need for more draconian measures in a month's time?

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MercyBooth · 21/10/2021 02:38

@TreaslakeandBack Yeah After whats come out about No 10 last Christmas they are going to need a lot of luck.

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MercyBooth · 21/10/2021 02:39

I wont be complying.

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MercyBooth · 21/10/2021 02:40

Dont want to let go of their ideology not to give poorer ppl money

So they can afford to self isolate.

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rrhuth · 21/10/2021 02:43

If things are so bad that this government have done anything, I will almost certainly have voluntarily started retreating from indoor contact again anyway.

But the school situation makes me weep - those with CEV people in their homes are facing an awful choice already.

rrhuth · 21/10/2021 02:44

Agree about self isolation and sick pay.

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MercyBooth · 21/10/2021 02:47

It would have helped A LOT

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WholeClassKeptIn · 21/10/2021 03:10

:( or is it so tbat we think that the other measures arent so bad/we ask for other restrictions.

They've played games the whole way throuvh haven't they!?

AgnesNaismith · 21/10/2021 03:15

Nah - they can fuck off if they think I’m not seeing my family this Christmas - particularly as we’ve all had Covid.

Perhaps they should look at the firms expecting 100% attendance levels with no ventilation, or the ridiculousness of the tube and the fact no fucker wants to wear a face mask anymore.

Dishhh · 21/10/2021 03:29

Hang on. This is scare-mongering at its finest. I would have expected better from you.

If you READ past the headline, you'll see it's based on nothing but a "source". Quote:

^However according to reports last night, the Cabinet Office officials are said to be discussing proposals which could form part of a potential 'Plan C' if coronavirus cases continue to rise towards Christmas.
Such a plan would see restrictions on gatherings among different households if pressures on hospitals worsen, according to The Telegraph. One Whitehall source told the paper: 'The focus is very much on measures that can be taken without a major economic impact, so keeping shops, pubs and restaurants open but looking at other ways to reduce the risks.'^

This is not much of anything at all, as it turns out.

Fallagain · 21/10/2021 03:31

@rrhuth

I really despair at how shit this government is.

Why will they not reintroduce some low-level measures now, to hopefully avoid the need for more draconian measures in a month's time?

They just can’t admit their mistakes to themselves in order to learn from them.
Pheasantlysurprised · 21/10/2021 04:35

probably best to avoid the rags.

SpringRainbow · 21/10/2021 04:55

I doubt they will get much compliance at all this time round. Despite the rising cases, people just aren’t as afraid as they were last winter.

Last winter people ‘gave up their Christmas’ because they were scared. That isn’t necessarily going to be the case this year.

The vaccine has changed people’s attitudes and most people just want to be left to get on with it.

When I look around at those I know, pretty much everyone is just getting on with thing. Even those that were afraid to even leave their house for over a year are now going out again.

I think whatever restrictions they try and bring back they will really struggle with compliance.

PurpleOkapi · 21/10/2021 05:35

@MercyBooth

Funny how the default setting is to stop ppl seeing their families rather than paying people properly to self isolate. If that had been implemented properly it would have helped a great deal
My position was always that if the government is going to order people to isolate for the benefit of society as a whole (not themselves - they're already exposed), then society as a whole should foot the bill for the related costs. If those costs make the taxpayers who pay them think twice about adopting a policy that requires large-scale mandatory isolation, that's just an added bonus.
Onlinedilema · 21/10/2021 05:35

People won't comply. The government doesn't abide by its own rules so why should anyone else?
Nobody wants to pay for it either. The government expect lower paid workers to shoulder the financial responsibility, again unacceptable.
I doubt most people will adhere to restrictions.
Maybe work from home if your employer will allow it. Shop on line. Some people will avoid busy areas. Not meeting family at Christmas, no I don't think people will accept that.

PurpleOkapi · 21/10/2021 05:40

Yeah, it doesn't matter what rules they try to make, no one's listening anymore. And they're not going to start listening again until the goalposts stop moving. Those who think that continuing to move them until covid zero is somehow magically achieved should take heed.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 21/10/2021 05:54

As if anyone would comply with that! I wouldn't.

MaverickSnoopy · 21/10/2021 05:58

There are a HUGE number of people out there who would follow stricter rules. I am part of groups who think restrictions should be in place now and have lots of friends and family who mostly stay indoors and even some who have isolated throughout, apart from a few walks. However I fully agree, the majority of people will not comply. Govt have royally stuffed this up. I suspect this is in part why they haven't reintroduced measures, because they've spent so long telling people this is it, to go back on that would be a huge step back.

This is falling apart though. NHS is near at capacity. Hospital beds are low, staff are broken and call handlers don't have capacity to deal with everything. In the last month I have been to out of ours and experienced a dr during a consultation who told me they felt dizzy and walked out, as well as being on hold to 999 for an ambulance. I live in an area that has never been effected throughout the whole pandemic by the NHS being stretched. I'm a Childminder and I see across the board how families are struggling. A few weeks ago I had to close as my child had a continuous cough and when the parents picked their children up, although understanding one of them had to take their child into work with them because they are a keyworker and the other people who were normally there were also off due to covid/childcare issues. The thing is, we're all testing (as i feel we should be) but we're all now mixing, so all bugs are rife. I don't think our govt understand the extent of normal bugs and how many tests will be needed and how much this will take people out of the workplace. I think lower level measures would curb some of this. But they won't do it, they'll wait until it gets past really really bad and more needs to be done.

PurpleOkapi · 21/10/2021 06:04

There are a HUGE number of people out there who would follow stricter rules.

That's probably true, but I think most of those people are already effectively following stricter rules than are currently in force. If they're already avoiding inter-household mixing or whatever's next on the chopping block, then sure, they'll continue not doing once it's banned. But that ban won't actually change anything, because they won't be doing anything different than they were before. And because nothing will have changed on a practical level, covid will go on and do whatever it's going to do, same as if the rules weren't tightened.

ivykaty44 · 21/10/2021 06:05

I work with multiple households everyday, and so do many others. It’s going to be hard to say don’t see other households but go to work and they can all come inside there.

Last lockdown they were all stopped from entering work, so it made sense at home - to a degree

Many others will be in similar situations

whymewhyme · 21/10/2021 06:06

I wont be complying! When is this shit show going to end!