The 'meeting up with 1 person outside' bit

[treerain]

All I've seen on Facebook is 'you can meet up with 1 person when you're outside' and lots of people saying they will go out as a family and meet up with a friend, then another friend, then grandma etc (not support bubble type single people - just 1 other at a time) or will be doing outside play dates like this with school friends etc.

I thought it was if you were alone, you could meet 1 other outside - not that any family group could meet one other outside.

That said, the guidance says it twice and each one sounds like a different scenario. www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november

Which is it do you think?

I thought it was very clear that it would be a total of 2 people if they’re from different households, and only to exercise.

I agree it's pretty clear. It's the same rule they had back in June, where one individual could meet with one other individual. However it doesnt have to be the same individual every time.

Not one family of 4 meeting with one individual, because that individual would be meeting 4 people, not one.

The exception would be a support bubble which is still counted as a single household.

I think on the 'meeting with other people' guidance in the screenshot, they've forgot to write, 'when you're alone' like they have in the 'stay at home' bit so people are interpreting it how they like (annoyingly)

It's in the 'or' I think. Seems clear to me, but people do seems to interpret things to suit themselves.

It’s a bit rubbish for single parents or those caring for someone who can’t be left alone. Or young children who are too young to meet a friend alone.

In order to give my fil respite from mil with severe dementia I’m going to have to meet up with her so he can have half an hour or so away from her/walking with dh every now and then but I’m not sure she will cope with being outside now the weather is cold.

@Comefromaway I would class that as essential care and do it indoors as it would be far worse if your FIL goes through carer breakdown over the winter and all the fallout that would entail.

I agree @treerain, they should have used exactly the same wording in both instances, using the on your own. If they want people to comply.
My BIL had this conv this morning. He'd looked at the outside section. And I'd found the other clearer section.

I’ve got another thread on it submariner. He’s already at breaking point both mentally and physically and ended up in hospital last summer.

You can exercise or visit outdoor public places with the people you live with, your support bubble, or 1 person from another household.

Interesting that you can only meet in public places not private gardens. From the guidance;

Public places include: parks, beaches, countryside, public gardens (whether or not you pay to enter them), allotments, playgrounds.You cannot meet in a private garden.

Surely you'd have to be on your own or the other person you're meeting would be breaking the rules. If both people are following the rules, then it can only be two people

That guidance is clear in both screenshots.

When alone, you can meet up with one other person, from outside of your family or support bubble, for exercise. So there is a maximum of 2 people.

You can also go out with your family or support bubble but cannot then meet up with any other people from outside of this.

It's households/support bubble (which is a single adult plus under 18's plus another household no more) OR two single people eg two older people living alone can meet for a walk, perhaps young adults who don't live with their bf/gf can meet for a walk in the countryside sort of thing.

The government cannot produce bespoke guidelines for each of our circumstances so rely on us to take the spirit of the law into account when making personal decisions, as I was told on enquiring to the police about my circumstances last time, they didn't want to interfere with necessary trips to to unusual circumstances nor get involved in family life so i was to use my judgement that an interaction was necessary (care is a reason).

@Comefromaway

That comes under care so is allowed anyway, under the essential reasons section, always was

What do I think?

I think most people are selfish arseholes.
Its 4 weeks, not 4 months. The majority could go without meeting up with anyone without any problem, but they won't.
Because when it comes down to it they don't give a shit.
Selfish fuckers everywhere

Your Facebook friends are having a logical thinking fail. If a family meets up with a single person from another household, that single person is by default meeting up with more than one person from another household so that are breaking the guidelines/ rules even if the first household members aren't

The rule about one person is clearly about two individuals from separate households meeting

@Greysparkles

What do I think?

I think most people are selfish arseholes.
Its 4 weeks, not 4 months. The majority could go without meeting up with anyone without any problem, but they won't.
Because when it comes down to it they don't give a shit.
Selfish fuckers everywhere

Most people are bracing for a LOT more than 4 weeks. They've done this to us before remember?

I will definitely be alot more than 4 weeks if people are talking about "bending" the rules before it's even bloody begun!

Yes @Comefromaway you don't need to stay outside with mil, didn't we establish that on the other thread. They are vulnerable and you can look after them

@Greysparkles

I will definitely be alot more than 4 weeks if people are talking about "bending" the rules before it's even bloody begun!

It took more than 4 weeks to get it under control when schools were closed. I'm not advocating for or against closure but it makes no sense that without some kind of extra measures in schools or closing them it will take much longer. Its just basic common sense, and someone walking in the park 2 metres away from someone else pushing a baby in a buggy is hardly going to have anything to do with it.

But the government like you to think that it will, as it gets them off the hook for poor planning.

I've just seen exactly the same thing on another thread - whole family can meet a grandparent etc....And genuinely believing that's what the guidance says. Bloody hell. Just stay at home!

I think on the 'meeting with other people' guidance in the screenshot, they've forgot to write, 'when you're alone' like they have in the 'stay at home' bit so people are interpreting it how they like (annoyingly)

The Govt website is quite clear -
You can exercise or visit outdoor public places with the people you live with, your support bubble, or 1 person from another household.
It is a talking to the singular you. I don't know why you feel this isn't clear.

Just seen this online on the news in case helps

Children under school age exempt from some Covid-19 rules, says Health Minister
Health Minister Nadine Dorries has said children under school age who are with their parents will not count towards the limit on two people meeting outside.

Children and adults who are dependent on round-the-clock care, such as those with severe disabilities, will also be included, she added.

Children under school age who are with their parents will not count towards the limit on two people meeting outside. This will mean that a parent can see a friend or family member with their baby or young children.

— Nadine Dorries 🇬🇧#StayAlert (@NadineDorries) November 1, 2020

*When alone, you can meet up with one other person, from outside of your family or support bubble, for exercise. So there is a maximum of 2 people.

You can also go out with your family or support bubble but cannot then meet up with any other people from outside of this.*

Yes, it's one OR the other!

Well it probably means one person with a child can meet but not two family groups with various adults and children

That would make sense