Confused! How many can meet in garden?

[FinallyRelief]

So in one space the gov says only 6 people from two households can meet outdoors

Elsewhere it says that wedding receptions of 30 people can happen?

Does this mean we could have a birthday party in our garden with less than 30 pple?

I'm thinking for my DC bday in Sept - cos the children are all in the same bubble at school so mixing all week.

www.gov.uk/guidance/meeting-people-from-outside-your-household-from-4-july

Link here but no. The “Gathering in larger groups” is, I understand, for weddings, funerals, religious ceremonies and services, community activities and support groups - which should be limited to no more than 30 people and subject to COVID-19 secure guidelines.

Birthday party isn’t really included but things may have changed by then.

No you can’t have 30 people in your garden. And groups of 30 people are limited to certain activities / organisations that do not include kids birthday parties.
This is an extract from the guidance:

It’s against the law for gatherings of more than 30 people to take place in private homes (including gardens and other outdoor spaces), or in a public outdoors space, unless planned by an organisation in compliance with COVID-19 secure guidance. The government will be introducing fines for those who facilitate or organise illegal gatherings of over 30 people.

In a private garden residence the rules remain at 6 people, although I don’t think it is against the law to not comply.

Guidance is 6. Law is 30.

I think that the difference is that weddings make money and are probably not much different to going out to a restaurant. Birthday parties are a bit different. It is annoying though.

It depends where you live, in Scotland it's up to 15 people from 5 households outdoors.

Honestly, it’s so all over the place no one knows anymore. Just use common sense.

My common sense is if DC had 10 friends all from bubble at school how is that breaking law?! I'm so confused.

@Idontgiveagriffindamn

No you can’t have 30 people in your garden. And groups of 30 people are limited to certain activities / organisations that do not include kids birthday parties. This is an extract from the guidance:

It’s against the law for gatherings of more than 30 people to take place in private homes (including gardens and other outdoor spaces), or in a public outdoors space, unless planned by an organisation in compliance with COVID-19 secure guidance. The government will be introducing fines for those who facilitate or organise illegal gatherings of over 30 people.

But we won't have 30

It’s 6 people from multiple households, or 30 from two households, in England.

It isn’t limited to 2 households outdoors. It is up to 6 people from any number of households (local lockdowns different of course).

It’s 6 people from multiple households, or 30 from two households, in England
This. If you’re from more than two households (which I assume is the case for a birthday party) then the maximum is 6 people.

So if we are a family of 4 I can have 2 other children?

I'll wait until sept I think! There are more of us mixing in the park! It's bizarre

Is this still ‘Law?’

I thought it changed to ‘guidance.’

I just need to know the law - cos if they're sitting in a classroom together all week then it's seriously not going to be a huge deal to spend a Sat afternoon together 2 weeks after school starts outdoors.

As long as I'm not breaking the law - I can live with guidance

It’s guidance- what exactly is going to happen if you have 10 children from your child’s class round for a party?

I say that as someone who sticks to the guidelines and wouldn’t do it, but actually it’s not increasing anyone’s risk and it’s not illegal so no one can stop you.

Just saw this...

It’s against the law for gatherings of more than 30 people to take place in private homes (including gardens and other outdoor spaces), or in a public outdoors space, unless planned by an organisation in compliance with COVID-19 secure guidance. The government will be introducing fines for those who facilitate or organise illegal gatherings of over 30 people.

So actually I can hold the party in the garden with kids from same bubble at school

No, you missed the bit in brackets

Unless you are a Covid secure organisation, which I doubt....

I'll be less than 30 though!

It'll be c 10-15 kids plus us so 18 people which is less than 30 so not against the law

We couldn't work it out ..my dd wants a post gcse party but I said she is only allowed 6..are we now saying 15 are allowed? So confusing !

Guidelines for outside are 6, but law is 30. So the police might ask you to disperse your gathering larger than 6, but it's not illegal.

The main thing is if you have space enough to socially distance.
Though if the DC are not socially distancing in other contexts, it seems a bit of a moot point.

New guidelines - thanks for sending me in the right direction I'll be ok to do what I'm doing

It is against the law for gatherings of more than 30 people to take place in private homes (including gardens and other outdoor spaces). Businesses and venues following COVID-19 Secure guideliness_ can host larger groups provided they comply with the law. This can include weddings, civil partnership ceremonies and funerals (which we advise should be limited to no more than 30 people), religious ceremonies and services, community activities and support groups. If attending a place or event that is following COVID-19 Secure guidelines, you should take care to limit your interactions with anyone outside of your group and you should continue to maintain social distancing from those that you do not live with. It is critical that you follow these guidelines to keep both yourself and others safe. The government will be introducing fines for those who facilitate or organise illegal gatherings of over 30 people.

So at the moment we're ok

Well I doubt they're SD at school!