No vaccine please

[Scienceisgreat76]

I have decided not to have the vaccine for coronavirus when it is rolled out. I don’t trust the government and will not be used as a pilot. It seems this will be a rushed vaccine (tested-yes) but we will not know the long term side effects until years down the line. I will politely decline the vaccine until I feel fully informed. Anyone else declining it?

Ps my mom has no vaccines as a child as her mom was anti vax and she got measles mumps and rubella and German measles and was very ill with all of them. It's not a risk I'm willing to take with my kids.

The now give the flu vaccination in primary schools via nasal spray.

Swine flu kills young children primarily. Hence vaccination of that age group.

My vulnerable teenager is also on the annual flu jab list.

I don't care if people don't want to be vaccinated. As long as they don't try to get others to buy in to the insanity.

I had swine flu. The only other time I ever felt as ill as I was with swine flu was when I had another strain of flu. I will be getting the vaccine for COVID-19. I understand there are risks associated with vaccines but I believe the benifts outweigh them i for the vast majority of people.

@maria860
As far as I'm aware they stopped trying to create a SARS vaccine as it burnt itself out and not all common colds are coronavirus, they are Rhinovirus too. There would be no point in creating a vaccine for that when it's effects are quite small. I can't imagine they would get the funding.

you just manage to convince me to:never have the flu vaccine

What did you think was in a flu vaccine that protects against 3/4 strains of flu each year @QuestionMarkNow ? Just curious.
Why is it the specific knowledge that the annual flu jab contains swine flu vaccine that is the issue? The information for each annual vaccine is available on the PHE website each year, this isn’t hidden information.

I can only presume that you are happy to continue with lockdown or alternatively get the virus, you and your whole family.Any vaccine would have to go through rigorous testing before administered to humans. There will probably be some people who can’t have the vaccine so it is important that those who can have it.

Fucks sake what a selfish attitude.

There are vulnerable people who cannot have vaccines (compromised/weak immunity, undergoing cancer treatment etc) and they are protected by the herd being vaccinated.

Therefore, yes it is your "right" to refuse a vaccine but most people don't exercise that right for moral reasons. They can see beyond their own nose.

I won’t be rushing for it either, not least as we think we had the virus already. And we also know plenty more deserving people.

Why is this vaccine being rushed? How long do normal vaccines take to develop? Surely the word you want here is “prioritised”?

I am in an at risk group - I have had "the letter" - only a vaccine will get me out of here, so I will be first on the queue.

Whether or not you trust "the government" - by which I assume you mean the British government - the vaccine is being developed internationally. I think this government has been inept in its dealing with the virus and am thankful that it is scientists and not them who will be developing the vaccine.

The OP thinks "science is great" so why can she not grasp the science behind the emergence of a novel strain of virus? My OH (a scientist) had been predicting this happening for years - unfortunately he has just died so cannot say "I told you so."

By not getting the vaccine you are not putting just yourself at risk - but presumably you do not care.

I don’t see the point of the thread . The vaccine won’t be mandatory. If you want to wait then do . But I have a young relative that would be high risk of death if she gets the virus so no doubt she will try it because the alternative of not trying it ( if it gets approved) does not bear thinking about. So I am sure there will be plenty of guinea pigs you can observe to see how they get on.

CONCLUSIONS:
These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.

So complex and rushed = not properly tested.

@NotEverythingIsBlackandwhite Deadly?

Read the explanation. One study that amounted to fewer than the equivalent of 3 cases of (usually not at all deadly) Guillain-Barré syndrome in one million people who had the H1N1 vaccine

@SmileyClare
100% agree.

Nvm I just saw previous link.

For example, a study into the vaccine used during the 2009 swine flu outbreak found that for every million people who had the vaccination, there were fewer than 2 extra cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome

www.nhs.uk/conditions/guillain-barre-syndrome/causes/

How can you say it's rushed when it hasn't been invented yet?
They actually said on sky news today that they have started to mass produce it before the testing has been completed to speed up how quickly they can get it out.

I understand your concerns, OP, but you'll be slated on here.

I will be having it, i would rather still be alive to parent my children.

Oh this is just ridiculous. The vaccine will be safe, there are strict rules and regulations to ensure this! You do realise the flu jab is new every year, to cover for constantly mutating viruses that are different every year.
As for those who would rather 'build up their immune system', that is exactly what a vaccine does - it mimics the live virus.

refusing to take a medicine that hasn't been properly tested

This demonstrates such ignorance. A vaccine isn't a medicine, it's not a drug. This is basic level science. A vaccine is a protein that stimulates your own natural immune response.
Coronaviruses have been around for years. Microbiologists are not suddenly starting from scratch.

I find these sorts of threads really irresponsible. You're posting misleading information on a public forum.

Looking up shit on the internet and talking to anti vaxxers with an agenda is NOT RESEARCH.

@Namechangervaver
No, that's one lab in Oxford.
Over 100 labs across the world are attempting to make a vaccine and in the briefing they said they don't know from which lab it is going to come.
Just because that lab is producing them, doesnt mean that's the one we are going with.

Regarding the ‘rushed’ swine flu vaccine, here’s a quote from the article linked by pp:

The researchers estimated that for every 500,000 people vaccinated against swine flu, there would be approximately one additional case of Guillain-Barré syndrome diagnosed in the province. In addition, while Guillain-Barré syndrome can be fatal, this only occurs in around one in 20 cases. Most people with the condition make a full recovery within six to 12 months.

So, to get one case of GBS you have to vaccinate half a million people. To get one death from GBS caused by swine flu vaccination, you have to vaccinate 10 million people. 20 people would develop GBS, 1 of them would die, and 19 would make a full recovery.

Imagine the same rate of serious complications arose from the COVID-19 vaccine. We vaccinate 10 million people, 20 develop a significant debilitating illness, 19 recover 1 dies.

Now imagine there are 10 million vaccine refuseniks. How many of them are going to die? Overall death rate appears to be 1% - 100,000 of our unvaccinated 10 million will die.

So let’s say you’re young and fit, your personal risk is much lower 0.01% according to early stats, 1 in 10,000. So that’s 1,000 deaths out of our 10 million unvaccinated healthy young people.

But maybe a lot of people are asymptomatic - as many as 80% by some estimates, so the death rate is lower - only 200 for our 10 million unvaccinated fit young people.

So which do you think is the better choice - 1 dead from vaccinating, or 200 dead from not vaccinating?

Summary: yes, adverse events can happen from vaccination, including death. But the point of the testing is to only approve vaccines whose risk is orders of magnitude less than the risk of the disease they protect against.

Me, I’ll be at the front of the queue.

Of this is anything to go by a vaccine s a long way off.... www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

I do not at this stage want a rushed up brand new vaccine.

So you want other people to be at risk whilst you aren’t vaccinated, and for other people to take the risk of having the vaccine until you are satisfied enough people have had it to prove it is safe?

Selfish much?

I sort of imagined the vaccine would be like the flu vaccine for those most vulnerable? I wouldn’t have it, just like I don’t have a flu vaccine.