No vaccine please

[Scienceisgreat76]

I have decided not to have the vaccine for coronavirus when it is rolled out. I don’t trust the government and will not be used as a pilot. It seems this will be a rushed vaccine (tested-yes) but we will not know the long term side effects until years down the line. I will politely decline the vaccine until I feel fully informed. Anyone else declining it?

Globally and in a world with a joined up plan (so let's see) it would go

Countries with less ability to treat people/ overcrowding/ poverty etc maybe vulnerable only before
Richer countries vulnerable
The less vulnerable

For younger people and children with no underlying conditions, this is not a serious illness, despite the press flagging outliers.

The reason we all need to be vaccinated (if there is one, and barring those who can't get vaccinated) is to protect the vulnerable and those who can't be vaccinated.

And I would imagine that if there is a vaccination, there would be negatives to refusing it without good reason eg I suspect overseas travel might be an issue.

To see the antivaxx crew starting on this already months before a possibility of a vaccine really worries me.

Yes Swine Flu Vaccine did cause narcolepsy in some people that is now accepted.
www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy
I had swine flu when pregnant so did my DC we were both treated with new drugs and got a whole lot worse. Fully vaccinated here and so are the kids. We are sceptical about flu vaccination. We were told by a doc in a&e with our son rapidly getting worse that he would not give Tamiflu medication to his child. We threw it away and dc has rapid recovery. With the idea of a new vaccination for this virus I am also sceptical. I will wait to see how we feel about it. I would be very sceptical about taking anything that has minimal testing.

The level of ignorance on this thread makes me worry about the education's system.

to see the anti vaxx crew starting on this already really worries me

Agreed. There have been a spate of these threads recently started by anti vaxx bots, usually starting in a faux innocent way but quickly descending into scaremongering "facts" and bizarre theories, these are then encouraged by a couple of obvious sock puppets ahem like minded posters.

I'm baffled by the agenda. All I can conclude is that some people are susceptible to brain washing because they crave being accepted by a "tribe" online and find a perverse comfort in believing a bad thing like a pandemic is controlled (man made) and the government have control over it.
Perhaps they are too frightened to accept that man is not behind everything and the whole earth is not under mankind's control. They conclude that there's a plan behind a pandemic and a sinister man made motive and they'll be safe if they put their head in the sand and refuse to co operate.

@beetroot Another reason for me to have it! I totally agree it will likely be a requirement of travel to some countries and after all this - wanna go to the Maldives!!

If there are lots of people wanting to wait, then I guess that means it’ll be faster for those of us who do want to get it to do so.
I want to be able to see our (vulnerable) grandparents again, and while I’m skeptical of the government’s approach, I do trust the scientists who are working on it.
It might not be perfect, but they’re not going to wilfully release something that’s actively harmful.

To date there are no vaccine for any. Corona virus so we don’t even know if it’s possible to manufacture one.

It’s absolutely not true that anti backers want to hide behind those who have it for herd immunity.
I don’t want your heard immunity because I don’t believe that vaccines have the effect you are told they have so I couldn’t give a crap whether you all have them or not. If you really wanted to find out what these people you are so disgusted by think you could look it up but you don’t. You’re just here for the rants. Because that’s the kind of people you are. Angry, righteous Mumsnetters. 🥱

@Gtugccbjb I agree some people on are are acting completely maniac and calling people thick/stupid etc.. for being against having the vaccine (which isn't even out yet).
I'm not an anti vaxer but I do not care if someone else decides to not get a vaccine I understand that I can't control everyone else only myself and I can live with that

Haven't looked up flat earthers, won't be looking up anti vaxers.

Pointless.

I would rather take my chances with the vaccine and be here for my young children even if that means there are consequences down the line but hopefully not until my kids are grown. (I have underlying issues though not shielding group and DH still has to go out to work so could likely bring it home).

Gtugccbjb

I have a few anti Vaxers in my timeline and they all say as you do ‘look it up’ ‘the information is out there’

Why? Why can’t they post what they feel are the reasons behind their decisions?

I find it incredibly odd they all do this, it’s like they’ve been told to post.

GreenTulips Ha, is that a conspiracy theory?

It’s not a cult! I don’t know another person in real life who is anti bad so how could we be “told what to say”

We say it because we know that most people who pretend to be interested aren’t really. They just want to rant / proove themselves right. So why waste our time?

There is no right or no definite. Even what is proved is then disproved. There is no fact in Science. For every scientist saying one thing is true they’ll be another disputing that.

My views are my opinions, your views are your opinions. Ever so often you meet someone who can discuss an opposing view without getting hysterical but it’s very very rare.

"There is no fact in science " - is the funniest thing I've read all day.

No, not all anti vaxers are that unhinged.

Gtugccbjb is in a league above most i have met.

The majority are scared and prefer inaction to potentially risky action, without being aware of the bigger picture. They don't peddle their views, they just do what they feel is right to protect their families. Innocent ignorance if you like. I cannot either judge or help them, because society tears them to peices.

The dangerous ones are the ones who peddle that fear in others, because there are no facts in science and the truth is out there oooohhh. These people peddle mistrust in science through hijacking peoples mistrust in politicians, who should rightly be critically evaluated as having agendas.

I don't think necessarily lumping all wary anti vaxers as evil is helpful or fair. Maybe if our "leaders" had more integrity, the true loonies would be less believable.

Medical science and politics should be separate.

I will have the vaccine because in this country there has historically been strong medical ethics. I would worry more if I lived in some other countries who didn't. Where big pharma has too much sway.

There is no fact in science

No fact in science....well that was a waste of time getting that PhD then, if I am just pedalling non-facts!

So one of Trumps team has previously faked scientific documents to claim that he had created a HIV vaccine.
That’s reassuring. 🙄

A vaccine coming from America would be extremely questionable specially considering Trimps press conference where he mused about injecting bleach.

One from Europe I would take.

This makes it even more worrying that the first person Boris called when he got out of hospital was Trump!
No way would I take a vaccine endorsed by that lunatic. Trump

I generally say yes to vaccines but I know I'll want to say no to this one because saying No is the only autonomy I may have left. Don't care what other people do about it, of course.

Maybe I'll say yes when I approach 70.

Trump is also promoting anti malarial drugs to treat Coronavirus which are not proven to be effective at all.
Supposedly he has a financial interest in the drug.

Sorry the current head of America’s CDC Robert Redfield was found guilty in a military tribunal of falsifying data that claimed that his HIV vaccine was effective.
He did actual create a vaccine but it was not effective. So he faked the results of trials. Wow.

The FDA warned doctors against prescribing hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine for the treatment of the coronavirus except in hospitals and research studies. The FDA said it was aware of “serious heart problems” associated with the use of the drugs and researchers recently cut a chloroquine study short after patients developed irregular heart beats and nearly two dozen died. Scientists cited a “primary outcome” of death and said the findings should “serve to curb the exuberant use” of the drug. Trump, however, has regularly touted the drugs as a potential “game changer,” saying at one point: “What do you have to lose? I really think they should try it.” (Wall Street Journal / Associated Press / CNBC / Bloomberg / CBS News /Washington Post)

The Energy and Commerce health subcommittee will hold hearings on Rick Bright’s dismissal as the head of an agency helping to develop a coronavirus vaccine. Bright said he was removed after he pressed for rigorous vetting of unproven drugs embraced by Trump. (New York Times) I posted this by accident in another thread. So Trump is sacking staff for requiring Coronavirus treatments to be scientifically valid and safe.