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No vaccine please

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Scienceisgreat76 · 17/04/2020 21:39

I have decided not to have the vaccine for coronavirus when it is rolled out. I don’t trust the government and will not be used as a pilot. It seems this will be a rushed vaccine (tested-yes) but we will not know the long term side effects until years down the line. I will politely decline the vaccine until I feel fully informed. Anyone else declining it?

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Northernsoullover · 17/04/2020 22:11

I'd climb over my own mother to get the vaccine (well not really but I'll be as near to the front as I can be).

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Scienceisgreat76 · 17/04/2020 22:12

I do not at this stage want a rushed up brand new vaccine. I’m fully immunised to date so why all the abuse. My child is also fully vaccinated. Is my view a crime. eye rolls

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QuestionMarkNow · 17/04/2020 22:15

Same here @Scienceisgreat76.

The issue is that, wo proper testing, we wont know what is the risk of said vaccine. How many people are likely to get ill/have life long disabilities/die from the vaccine. when the vaccine for the swine flu came out,p in 2009, pharmaceutical compamy said it was safe and tested. Except... it wasnt.
www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/shaunlintern/these-nhs-staff-were-told-the-swine-flu-vaccine-was-safe

Plus have a look a medical research and see how flawed it is in the first place.
link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00192-017-3389-1
As much as 90% of the published medical information is flawed according to John Ioannidis, one of the true experts on credibility of medical research [1], and former BMJ editor-in-chief, Richard Smith, has claimed that “most of what is published in journals is just plain wrong or nonsense.”
We also know that pharmaceutical companies publish on the research that give positives results and hide the rest etc....

So can we really trust a pharmaceutical company to create a new vaccine in less than half the time it normally takes and to also tell us if it’s actually safe?
Their track record says NO.

QuestionMarkNow · 17/04/2020 22:18

@ivykaty44, NHS staff were ‘very strongly recommended’ to get it. I don’t think anyone else did.
And yes they git very bad ‘side effects’ from it - hence the lawsuit etc...
We also know that they did have a ‘strong and unwise’ influence on the decision taken the WHO and governments at that time.....

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Scienceisgreat76 · 17/04/2020 22:18

@ QuestionMarkNow- yes. I’m hearing that a vaccine might be ready by autumn. Far too quick for my liking.

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Scienceisgreat76 · 17/04/2020 22:19

I Don’t trust the WHO at all

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Jaxhog · 17/04/2020 22:20

The swine flu vaccine was developed and administered within a few months and it eradicated the disease.

Fingers crossed. I was one of the first to get the swine flu vaccine and I will be first in line for the Covid-19 vaccine too. If you don't want it, then I thankyou - the queue will be shorter.

(My younger and healthier sis is recovering from Covid-19 at the moment and from what's she suffering, I really don't want it)

ivykaty44 · 17/04/2020 22:21

QuestionMarkNow

Thanks

Gingerkittykat · 17/04/2020 22:21

I will be having the vaccine when it is available because I am in a high risk group and my risks from Covid-19 are higher than those from a partially tested vaccine.

I could have had the virus by then so would want to have my antibodies tested first.

I know the emergency legislation in Scotland allows for forced vax which I find terrifying as I believe we should all have autonomy over what happens to our bodies.

GetawayfromthatWelshtart · 17/04/2020 22:21

Fine; don't have the vaccine but if you and your loved ones get Covid19 in the future then please don't expect any sympathy from me or other people with fucked up immune systems and don't seek any professional medical help with your illness if you don't want to be vaccinated against it.

Your choice not to get vaccinated but you shouldn't then expect others to mop up the mess from any decision you make.

Just stay at home. Maybe rub a crystal or two and take some oils or something.

I hope your immune system is strong enough.

Do you have to have the flu vaccine OP? I do. If they provide a vaccine then I will take it up.

Having watched my sister die from flu complications as she missed her annual vaccine I can tell you it's not a pretty sight.

So stay at home until everyone has had their vaccine so you don't end up killing other people.

Imboredinthehouse · 17/04/2020 22:23

I've been wondering about swine flu!
I never had it and certainly didn't have a vaccine. What happened??

It’s in the annual flu vaccine hence herd immunity to protect those that cannot be immunised. DH was hospitalised with swine flu. I was wondering recently why, when a child in DC class who was a confirmed case, were the whole class not informed & told to isolate. May have prevented his worrying hospitalisation.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/swine-flu/

I will be first inline for a CV vaccine. DH is extremely vulnerable.

QuestionMarkNow · 17/04/2020 22:23

Btw, questioning the use of a vaccine that hasn’t been properly tested has NOTHING to do with being an anti vaxxer.

It’s about refusing to take a medicine that hasn’t been proven to be safe. Just like I would never want to take a medication that hasn’t been properly tested either.
I appreciate that some people do and that’s great but ONLY WHEN that person know they are part if a trial. Not when it’s sold as been safe when you are actually the guinea pig for said medication/vaccine.

Having said that, we won’t see a vaccine for a long time anyway ... issue with testing first but also basic issue of actually being able to manufacture enough vaccine and then go and vaccinate people. It will take years (by which point we might well have reached herd immunity anyway....)

peachgreen · 17/04/2020 22:24

Anti-vaxxers are idiots, we all know this, but they're also so fucking arrogant. My friend's dad is one of the scientists working on one of the vaccines and he is the most intelligent, conscientious person I've ever met. If he - or any of his peers - recommends a vaccine to me, I will take it happily and be thankful for their incredible effort and sacrifice.

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Scienceisgreat76 · 17/04/2020 22:24

How about they close the wet markets and all those other nasty places. It’s those people you should be mad at

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Scienceisgreat76 · 17/04/2020 22:25

I’m not anti immunisations though. I’m fully vaccinated. Why is it a crime not to want this vaccine right now until I see evidence of side effects etc

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QuestionMarkNow · 17/04/2020 22:28

Well @Imboredinthehouse, you just manage to convince me to:never have the flu vaccine.
I wasn’t convinced in the first lace but knowing I would be vaccinated for something I have never been told about has totally out me off.

Hav8ng said that, I doubt we have reached herd immunity though that vaccine. Very simply because not everyone has the flu vaccine.

lubeybooby · 17/04/2020 22:28

it is NOT going to be rushed - there is no choice but to put any potential candidate through rigorous safety tests

Starlightstarbright1 · 17/04/2020 22:28

@QuestionMarkNow interesting you post that article . I do know someone who is at my Ds’s school developed narcolepsy as a result of swine flu immunisation. No idea on the statistics for this but it does worry you when you see real side effects.

MajesticWhine · 17/04/2020 22:30

How can you say it's rushed when it hasn't been invented yet?Confused

QuestionMarkNow · 17/04/2020 22:31

@peachgreen what is the relationship between querying the safety of a medication coming out on the market in a tenth of the normal time normally needed to do it and the character of the your fiend’s dad???

You think that all vaccines are great? good for you.

I personally think that some are great, some are life saving. But that particular one will NOT have had time to be properly tested if it was launched this autumn. That has nothing to do with any particular person or their character. Or the fact that vaccines are good or bad.

NotEverythingIsBlackandwhite · 17/04/2020 22:31

@EYProvider

Good job no one said that about the swine flu vaccine or we’d still all be suffering from that 10 years on.

The swine flu vaccine was developed and administered within a few months and it eradicated the disease. No reason to believe that this won’t be the same.
It wasn't administered to the whole population though was it? Just as well anyway as it was rather deadly in itself:
www.nhs.uk/news/medication/swine-flu-vaccine-link-to-deadly-nerve-condition/

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Scienceisgreat76 · 17/04/2020 22:32

There is a general haste amongst the politicals/ scientists. Obviously this is a deadly disease so I get the sense that a vaccine is needed quite quickly.

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StarUtopia · 17/04/2020 22:34

No. Not having something that hasn't been tested.

What swine flu vaccine??! I don't remember/recall having that!

maria860 · 17/04/2020 22:37

We will be lucky to get a vaccine as sars and mers still have no vaccine and no vaccine for the common cold. I will be over the moon if they create a vaccine but I just don't see it. If they do I will probably have it although I will be concerned about it being produced so quickly but rather that then have the illness but I get your views 100%

MitziK · 17/04/2020 22:38

Out of interest, you've had all the other vaccines - in keeping with WHO research and recommendations - why are you choosing to not trust them about this particular disease when you've trusted them at the very least for their findings and recommendations for Diptheria, Tetanus, Polio, Hib, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Pneumonia, Influenza, TB and if you've been abroad, Malaria, Yellow Fever and probably a whole load more?