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No vaccine please

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Scienceisgreat76 · 17/04/2020 21:39

I have decided not to have the vaccine for coronavirus when it is rolled out. I don’t trust the government and will not be used as a pilot. It seems this will be a rushed vaccine (tested-yes) but we will not know the long term side effects until years down the line. I will politely decline the vaccine until I feel fully informed. Anyone else declining it?

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Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 19/04/2020 19:01

So we could be looking at a vaccine every three years then?

drcb83 · 19/04/2020 22:47

Or maybe less often. They are mocking the spike protein onto adenovirus instead of coronavirus. Adenovirus is really immunogenic - and they kinda put a Covid coat on it so it seems to the immune system that covid is causing the response.
Heard that earlier today! Vaccine Could work better than they previously thought!! 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 19/04/2020 23:13

That would be amazing.

I don’t give a shit about celebrities. TV and film people. But scientists who can do stuff like that? Incredible

ThunderBlast · 19/04/2020 23:28

The vaccine will "build your immune system", saying that if the government really manages to get 1 million doses ready by September (like that's going to happen anyway) I'd be cautious of taking it because it won't have been through the normal testing schedule. Even then though it'll go out to the most vulnerable first, same as the flu shot.

What exactly do you think's dodgy about the virus?

Oakmaiden · 19/04/2020 23:41

I think it was man made and perhaps some plan behind it

How about they close the wet markets and all those other nasty places.

So which is it - a plan by the Illuminati to kill off all the people they don't want, or the fault of those nasty furriners with their nasty places?

It can't really be both?

I would have taken your point (re vaccination) a little more seriously if you hadn't thrown the tin foil hat stuff in too.

MitziK · 19/04/2020 23:52

Surely if it were manmade, that would mean that it would be easier to produce a safe and effective vaccine, as they'd know exactly how it worked because they'd created it in the first place?

MrsJoshNavidi · 20/04/2020 12:27

If the vaccine is made available to you, just HAVE THE BLOODY VACCINE!!!

What is wrong with people?

MrsJoshNavidi · 20/04/2020 12:37

It's too early to say for sure but I doubt il have it. I'm up to date on vaccines apart from the flu one, my children have had the lot including flu one. Just wary of the virus type illnesses

Which vaccines do you like then? Most vaccines are against "virus type illnesses".

Crayfishforyou · 20/04/2020 12:43

Anyone who chooses against a vaccine is a fucking idiot.
I am three weeks into having coronavirus and it is truly terrifying. I've had a range of very nasty bugs thanks to my travelling days but none even come close to this.
And when I come out of this the other side I will be first in the queue with my sleeve rolled up for a vaccine
I wouldn't wish this virus on anyone, it is pure evil.

Raaaa · 20/04/2020 12:48

@MrsJoshNavidi haha I knew I'd get jumped on for that , I made a mistake virus was the wrong wording Grin
If it's anything like the flu vaccine it won't be rolled out to me anyway as I'm not in the vulnerable groups.

MrsJoshNavidi · 20/04/2020 12:49

Anyone who chooses against a vaccine is a fucking idiot

An idiot who's happy for the rest of us to pay for their care too. Apart from morally wanting to stop people dying, vaccines are economically much cheaper too. Hence why the contraceptive pill is free. It's cheaper than pregnancy care.

MrsJoshNavidi · 20/04/2020 12:51

Raaa, but if it were to be rolled out to you, would you have it?

What vaccines aren't you wary of?

And would you have a vaccine if you needed one to go on an all expenses paid holiday to somewhere exotic?

P1nkHeartLovesCake · 20/04/2020 12:52

They won’t vaccinate everyone will they? Surely they will do the vulnerable and leave the rest of us, like with the normal flu jab?

It would take years to vaccinate us all, with a population of 66 million in the uk alone

socialcommentator · 20/04/2020 13:13

not taking a vaccine is also known as the "fuck you strategy"... make everyone else the Guinea pigs but free ride on their immunity to protect yourself

Gwenhwyfar · 20/04/2020 13:15

"Surely they will do the vulnerable and leave the rest of us, like with the normal flu jab?"

Not necessarily. Some vulnerable people might not be able to take the jab.

It wouldn't have to take years to vaccinate us all. Depends how much effort is put into it, it could be done pretty quickly I think. I don't know how many people would have to have it, but more than just the flu jab people I think.

Mustbetimeforachange · 20/04/2020 13:37

One of the biggest challenges would be manufacturing, distributing & giving so many people the vaccination. Vulnerable people would have to be prioritised, and decisions made about the importance of other vaccination schedules. It would be a HUGE task.

Nat6999 · 20/04/2020 13:57

I won't be at the front of the queue to have the vaccine, vulnerable or not. Whenever I have had the flu jab I have ended up being more ill than when I haven't had it & after being left virtually unable to walk due to an antibiotic being prescribed for a simple uti, I don't have much trust left in the medical profession.

jasjas1973 · 20/04/2020 14:29

not taking a vaccine is also known as the "fuck you strategy"... make everyone else the Guinea pigs but free ride on their immunity to protect yourself

Its not compulsory, so why is it the FU strategy? & vaccines should be properly tested, no need for anyone to be a Guinea pig! if any CV vacc turned out to be dangerous, it would do untold harm to vaccination programs for more deadly diseases around the world.
People have freedom of choice, so even if a disease becomes common, so long as your vaccinated, you shouldn't get it.

LastTrainEast · 20/04/2020 14:41

"so even if a disease becomes common, so long as your vaccinated, you shouldn't get it." actually no. For some people it doesn't work for example and they ARE relying on everyone around them being immune. Then there are newborns etc and people whose immune system is compromised.

"if any CV vacc turned out to be dangerous, it would do untold harm to vaccination programs for more deadly diseases around the world." Right... that's why you don't want to take it.... Grin

Raaaa · 20/04/2020 14:52

*Raaa, but if it were to be rolled out to you, would you have it?

What vaccines aren't you wary of?

And would you have a vaccine if you needed one to go on an all expenses paid holiday to somewhere exotic?*

I may decide to have it yes, I'm just saying at this stage I doubt it but that's not concrete.
The only vaccine I've not had is the flu one, my kids have, and the midwife tried to persuade me to have it by saying me and the baby could die if I don't.
I know that's a scenario, but I'm a working mum in a shitty town I've never been anywhere exotic. After all this I would think twice about going aboard straight away anyway to the standard places eg Spain, Tenerife, I've never been to a country where you need vaccines before you go and don't intend to.

FrogFairy · 20/04/2020 15:54

I am torn on this.

I have several underlying conditions that could mean I would struggle with Covid-19 (asthma, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, auto immune disease and am obese) so I would welcome a vaccine that could protect me.

However, I have a history of allergy or side effects with medication. If I am prescribed tablets that do not agree with me, then I can stop taking them and they clear from my system. Problem solved. But I wonder what would happen if I had a reaction to a vaccine. Once that is in my body, it cannot be removed.

SmileyClare · 20/04/2020 17:17

FrogFairy your medical history and adverse reactions would be taken into account before you're given a vaccine. It would be the components of a vaccine that would likely cause an allergy ( this is extremely rare by the way) those components would be added to the vaccine, for example egg protein or gelatine (used as as stabiliser).

Therefore an allergic reaction would be short lived. The components would be broken down by your body and clear your system.

In light of your serious health conditions, exposing yourself to the virus would be extremely ill advised.

Anyone who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons relies on being shielded by people around them being vaccinated. This is why it's socially irresponsible to refuse vaccines in my opinion. It's not just a personal choice, it's inflicting your choice on others.

Gfplux · 20/04/2020 17:20

There will be no need to make an early decision about refusing the vaccine (which is a rather strange and perhaps anti social position to take) as it will not be generally available until early 2021 if not later.

Anti Vaxers will have to realise that they may not be able to travel to other countries without a document showing they are vaccinated against Covid 19.

Gwenhwyfar · 20/04/2020 18:48

"Vulnerable people would have to be prioritised"

Why? Genuine question as I don't know much about biology. Could we not vaccinate the less vulnerable first as the vulnerable stay inside then let the vulnerable out when there is enough immunity in the population as a whole. Some people are so vulnerable they can't have vaccines so they'd rely on other people getting it.

SmileyClare · 20/04/2020 19:10

The priority would be to vaccinate people at highest risk of death due to corona virus. Cost wise and time wise that would be more effective at eradicating their high risk because they are a small portion of the population.

I see your point about people unable to receive vaccines, that also includes new borns, cancer patients, anyone with a compromised immunity. Hopefully the vaccine can be rolled out on a wider scale so that they are shielded and can start going out into the community.
That's one of the reasons that primary children are now given the flu jab; to prevent them passing it to vulnerable groups, the elderly and so on.